Woah...

[CJB]

I just looked at this picture and woah.. you guys don't think this is a little umm how shall I say it.... provocative?

I find that VERY inappropriate.

What's the purpose of a picture like that?? Geez.
http://www.shania.org/images/gallerypic.jpg

[iloveshania]

Actually, I think it's a nice picture! But I can see how you might find it that way. To each his/her own, right! http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

iloveshania

[benperkins]

I think its a good picture. Her face looks pretty, so just look above the chest.

She has a nice body but her face is her best pysical freature.

[samantha t]

LOL if u got it,flaunt it.
I think she looks pretty.
She has done worse pictures then that!

[Winemaker]

I think provocative is a strong word. Unless you're Amish of course, then wooooooo!

I think it's just showing off a good feature, without crossing the line, not even close if you ask me. I'd put that in the same category as wearing a nice dress, doing up your hair, wearing make-up; no more provocative than those, I think. But then again, the more I look at the picture....nice!

[razorbac]

LOL i have that photo in a 8x10
she looks great but she always does

[Heather]

Originally posted by CJB:
I just looked at this picture and woah.. you guys don't think this is a little umm how shall I say it.... provocative?

I find that VERY inappropriate.

What's the purpose of a picture like that?? Geez.
http://www.shania.org/images/gallerypic.jpg

*rolling eyes*. I truly don't see the point in your post. I think she looks great, as usual.

[Jersey Fan]

To each his/her own.
It is a beautiful picture. Cleavage or no
cleavage. JMHO. http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[frank]

I don't see the problem about that picture.It's a beautyfull picture.She looks real nice,like she always does.


Frank.

[iloveshania]

To be fair to CJB, the original pic as I recall has Shania sitting leaning forward with her arms on her lap. Somebody obviously zoomed in on the chest to make it more provocative than intended by Shania.

Wine:

Omish, LMAO! http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[Wild One]

My turn! My turn!

That picture just shows a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY nice feature of Shania. http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif It is revealing but it also makes the imagination go to work! It's not like they're free to the world for everyone's viewing pleasure. (Damn it!) http://www.shaniaforums.com/wink.gif

It's a very nice picture. VERY NICE!!

[This message has been edited by Wild One (edited November 22, 2000).]

[benperkins]

iloveshania. people who do that should'nt be allowed to take photos. That is the worst thing. Shania deserives better.

[samantha t]

Originally posted by Jersey Fan:
To each his/her own.
It is a beautiful picture. Cleavage or no
cleavage. JMHO. http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha haha

and ben, she is a grown woman...she can do what she wants! just let her do it! dont worry! she knows the consequences! some people will like it and some wont!
dont worry about it!!! she looks great!!
u know she will never get naked so u dont have to worry!!!

[benperkins]

I ment if the picture was edited. Thats horrible. Shania should not be treated like that

[samantha t]

but shes not stupid...she knows wut shes going in to.
she knows that she's kinda showing alot...she knows how they are treating her!

[benperkins]

Ok Sam http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

Its a nice picture really. But iloveshania said it was edited and I freaked out. http://www.shaniaforums.com/frown.gif

And Wild One Carm Down!!!!!!! But then again I call this picture best of both worlds (Face and Chest), a little body is good now wnd then http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[samantha t]

it was edited??
what is that supposed to mean??
lol......confused person here!

[BP]

I think it's a great photo! I agree with Sam, Geez, she's an adult! Now if this were some 15-16 yr old! I would have a problem with that!

[Little Shania]

That picture is totally fine and cooll! There is NOTHING wrong with it! Shania is a big girl now, she can decide what she wants to wear and how to pose. Yes, if you've got it then flaunt it! That is one of my mottos! I look like her in it, too, so there is nothing wrong with it period. I'm Outta Here!

Man! I Love Shania!
"Little Shania"

SHANIA ROCKS THIS COUNTRY RIGHT OUT OF THIS WORLD,UNIVERSE,AND PLANET FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shmoopie]

To help keep things in perspective, remember this: though Britney Spears is 18 now, she was doing shots like that (and a lot worse) when she released "...Baby One More Time", and she was only 16 then. Shania's 35 and looks damned good, too! I don't look like that and I'm only 20 http://www.shaniaforums.com/wink.gif

[samantha t]

hahahaa!

[Wild One]

OK Ben. I calmed down. But that picture got me all riled up.

[benperkins]

Wild One I know how you feel http://www.shaniaforums.com/wink.gif

How I have to carm down LOL http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[garyphyllis]

All females want to/try to look/be provocative, the only difference between any of them is the degree to which they do it.

Every woman also knows exactly what she is showing off at all times, make no mistake about it, and all are extremely deliberate in what they show off.

There are approximately 6 billion of these things in the world, how anyone can be so prudish as to be upset about seeing just a couple of them, is beyond me. They are standard equipment for a female. One would think, though, that she would have worn a lacy and prettier bra for this photo, wonder why not. Maybe she really is serious about being a tomboy and not a "girlie" girl.

Personally, I think it is a nice "homey" and casual photo of Shania, and she looks good. Is there going to be a poster of this photo?

[CJB]

You can jump on my case for expressing my opinion on this but I don't really care. My opinion is MY opinion. If you don't like it, simply don't read it.

I posted this because that picture and others similar to that picture, makes her look cheap. It cheapens her as a person and gives us more detail on how she uses her sexuality to sell her CD's and make her popular. Why do you need a picture like that? What's the purpose? That is something your husband and ONLY your husband should see. You would all jump all over Faith's case if she did the same but yet since it's Shania, it's sexy? I don't think so. It makes her look cheap and to put it rudely, because I cannot go about the nice way of putting this, a ****. Not saying she IS, just saying that is how that picture and others similar make her look. If Britney did the same thing, she'd get all kinds of negativity. She IS 18 years old and she can legally do whatever she wants but Shania is in her 30's so it's okay? No... She is old enough to know better, or well she should anyway. I know this has nothing to do with Britney OR Faith but if I had shown you a picture of them with the same exact pose, you'd give them a lot of heat. Why? Because they're not Shania. I feel this board is one sided and isn't open to criticism and to me, that's the worst kind of fan. Shania is open to criticism, why aren't you?

Also, any guy that would look at that and get 'riled up' as one stated... you are some pervert! She is married... that's just sick. See now I believe THAT'S why she did that picture....

I think I stated my case. Like I said before, if you don't like it, simply don't read it. I don't feel I stated anything offensive, just my opinion, my views.

[This message has been edited by CJB (edited November 23, 2000).]

[benperkins]

I'm not going to say anything. I'm perfectly carm and happy.


LEAVE SHANIA ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What has she done to upsett you????? Look if she wants to show it let her. And if men like it its thier problem Right?

[benperkins]

Further More

I'm getting fed up of this. Shania is a lovey woman, perfect in every way, she is proud of being a woman.

And I'm geeting fed up of being told how to think by everyone. Why cant I just have my own ideas and opintions? Why do we all have to walk the same?? I love Shania and I expect that to be the one thing everyone here to do. But I do'nt have to agree on everything. I what to like Shania in my own way with out being told not to, or what CJB said.

Oh thats it you have got me MAD. Just leave me be.

[Heather]

Originally posted by CJB:
You can jump on my case for expressing my opinion on this but I don't really care. My opinion is MY opinion. If you don't like it, simply don't read it.

I posted this because that picture and others similar to that picture, makes her look cheap. It cheapens her as a person and gives us more detail on how she uses her sexuality to sell her CD's and make her popular. Why do you need a picture like that? What's the purpose? That is something your husband and ONLY your husband should see. You would all jump all over Faith's case if she did the same but yet since it's Shania, it's sexy? I don't think so. It makes her look cheap and to put it rudely, because I cannot go about the nice way of putting this, a ****. Not saying she IS, just saying that is how that picture and others similar make her look. If Britney did the same thing, she'd get all kinds of negativity. She IS 18 years old and she can legally do whatever she wants but Shania is in her 30's so it's okay? No... She is old enough to know better, or well she should anyway. I know this has nothing to do with Britney OR Faith but if I had shown you a picture of them with the same exact pose, you'd give them a lot of heat. Why? Because they're not Shania. I feel this board is one sided and isn't open to criticism and to me, that's the worst kind of fan. Shania is open to criticism, why aren't you?

Also, any guy that would look at that and get 'riled up' as one stated... you are some pervert! She is married... that's just sick. See now I believe THAT'S why she did that picture....

I think I stated my case. Like I said before, if you don't like it, simply don't read it. I don't feel I stated anything offensive, just my opinion, my views.

[This message has been edited by CJB (edited November 23, 2000).]


Well sweetie (please note the sarcasm)I think that your post has no POSITIVE basis whatsoever. In fact I find that you are overly critical of Shania and other people here for no feasible reason. You said in your post, "if you don't like it, simply don't read it". Well I have some advice for you, if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say it at all. You had to know what kind of reception your opinion would receive. In fact, the problem I have isn't so much that you have a differing opinion, it's the way you choose to express your opinion. You talk down to others and that isn't cool. Clevage? Who cares? If you don't like the discussions or find people's admiration of Shania silly, don't visit here. Simple as that.

[Slope]

I have a question for my friends here at shania.net. Why are you even wasting your breath on this one? Why waste your time on her? If no one responds don't you think that she'll eventually just go away? Stop answering. She is not worthy of your time or trouble.

[Londo]

CJB,
Things are very simple. I consider myself to be a tolerant person as far as other people’s opinions are concerned. So I don’t have anything against your opinion, you have the right to express it. The problem is that expressing it you are communicating with people and you have to be a little careful on HOW you express your own opinions. Make no mistake about it, the certain animosity and sarcasm that you feel it’s directed towards you doesn’t come from the fact that you have different opinions, but from your attitude in expressing those opinions. I believe by now everyone here is acquainted with your opinion about the basis of Shania’s success. The huge majority of the people around here don’t feel that way, and nothing will make them change their minds. The problem is that you seem to believe they are having this view because they are under some “Shania spell” that prevents them from thinking clearly and reaching the conclusions that you think are correct. Well none on this earth is the holder of the universal truth and therefor anyone who claims that is a little arrogant, just to use a mild word. You are not claiming that in words, you keep repeating that those are only your opinions, but your attitude is the one of showing a wave of superiority over the others. That is the problem and that’s why people are reacting like that to your posts. I don’t know if you do it intentionally or not, but that’s the fact. The main thing that probably makes you feel this way is the fact that you don’t consider yourself to be obsessed with Shania, therefor you can have a more objective look on things. I’m sorry to tell you this, but that is absolutely no guarantee. One can be absolutely uninvolved into something and still make the wrong judgements. The problem is that it seems to me you have lost your objectivity. Being objective means to take into consideration both the good and the bad parts. When you came first to this forum and read about Shania, you were disturbed by the positive posts for Shania and decided to even the balance by putting some negative ones on. And then you received some replies that you didn’t like and your positions got more extreme. Now you can say that you posted the negative ones to balance the positive ones already brought by others. It is a way of thinking. But all you’ve achieved is creating sides and negative feelings. If you really wanted to be objective you should have wrote the good parts about Shania, too. You would have won a lot more by doing that. If you don’t think there are good parts worth mentioning, then I’m sorry, that objectivity of yours works only for your system of values. How many positive things did you write about her in your posts? I for one don’t remember many. And there are other people that feel this way too, and they can’t be accused of being zombified by Shania, they have a very well defined system of values. So, as I told you once before, you’ll have a lot more to gain when you drop that attitude and show a little respect for some of the people here and they will show it back to you. When Iloveshania started that debate topic I thought things would get on a right path as far as you are concerned, but now all I see are contradictions.

[iloveshania]

Hi CJB:

WOW, tough audience ha! LOL This is going to be my last post for awhile, but I had to put in my two cents; which by the way is about all I own right now, so I hope you feel duly honored.LOL

The way I see it we are all just as obsessed with Shania. The difference is that CJB expresses her love of Shania in a different way. The majority of us express our feelings by accepting, and loving Shania exactly as she is. On the other hand CJB feels that she is selling out to a s*x obsessed culture. This does not mean that CJB does not care about Shania as much as the rest of us. On the contrary, it suggests to me that she cares a great deal. Look at the evidence: First she continues to come to this site despite an almost consistant negative response. Second if she didn't care about Shania, she wouldn't care how people perceive her. Third if she didn't care about Shania, she would not spend the time it must take to find the info and pictures she does. So let's put that issue to rest, CJB is a fan even if she is not always willing to admit it herself.

The problem I see here is a failure to communicate. CJB if you could try and be a little gentler in the wording of your posts, it would help. I know that you know what you are trying to say, but to the general population it sounds like a meaningless attack on Shania. Perhaps if you explained your reasoning and feelings in more detail when you post. I know this is not always easy, because it can be time consuming, and it is easier to know how we feel than state it in words, but I think it would help. As for the rest of you, I really believe that CJB is not deliberately trying to anger you. I believe that she is a fan who sometimes has difficulty in expressing herself when something is bothering her. I don't think that she is one of those people who is only trying to cause trouble. CJB, has a very strong and somewhat inflexible, value system which makes certain things more offensive to her than to most. I urge you all to try and be understanding of these things, and I urge you CJB, to try and remember that not everyone has the same value system which you do. This does not make anyone right or wrong, only different. I believe that with a little effort and understanding, everyone can get along. This is my wish for you my dear friends as I say goodbye for a while!

iloveshania http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[benperkins]

Right now I'm in the right frame oof mind.

CJB: Shania is not cheep. I can agree sometimes her pictures are a bit exposing, but nothing to really get upset about.

I do get upset if her pictures are used in a insulting manner, as they have which to a person that did'nt know that she had no control over the copyright of the picture would think Shania is cheep. That is wrong not Shania having a picture taken.

Getting back to the picture in question. There are worst pictures done by other women, alot worst in fact. Shania is quite mild on the exposing scale of things. I'm not saying this as a fan, I saying this as a person who has seen all of this. Bias is out the window at the momment.

Now on to perverts. Wild One is'nt a pervert, nor am I or most of the guys on here (I was going to say all then I saw the message above). We like Shania for more than just her body. I get angry if someone just thinks Shania has a good body and nothing else. Shes talented, Intellergent, and pround of who she is.

For me her body comes last, well her face is amazing but I'm more actarcted to a pretty face than a great body. Shania just happens to have both.

If I was just like, oh that Twain womans is fine, then by all means go for me. Those are pervets who just drool and don't like her for what she really is. But they don't buy the CDs, the people who like her music do.

Shania is a amazing woman. I do understand your anger and I take back anything I have said before. But plaese take into account waht I've said in this post.

Thanks

Ben http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

[frank]

CJB,the only thing i have to say about this is,if you think that Shania needs her sexuality to sell her cd's or to become popular,you are wrong.If you think that she needs her sexuality,then you don't know Shania and you don't know her music.Do you really think that people buy her music because she looks good,or they have seen a sexy picture of her?No,they buy it because they like the music.


Frank.

[CJB]

Originally posted by benperkins:
Right now I'm in the right frame oof mind.

CJB: Shania is not cheep. I can agree sometimes her pictures are a bit exposing, but nothing to really get upset about.

I never said she WAS Cheap, I just said that's the way people will portray her if she continues to take pictures like that. I'm not upset she took pictures like that, I'm upset because it makes women look like meat and others will follow and take the same pictures. I know, some have done worse and I don't hold back on any of them. I'd express my feelings the same way about them even if they were my favorite artist. Sorry, but I was just raised better than to show the world my chest.

[benperkins]

CJB: Its ok. I don't think it shows Shania in a bad light. I understand that you may see that, but it is how people see the picture in thier mind. I see it as a beautiful woman thats all. Shes not doing anything wrong. But yeah I can see your point and so on some pointsI acully agree with you. But in a different way.

Derek Donnelly:Oh My God you are sick!!!!!

[This message has been edited by benperkins (edited November 24, 2000).]

[Andrew]

Originally posted by Londo:
CJB,
Things are very simple. I consider myself to be a tolerant person as far as other people’s opinions are concerned. So I don’t have anything against your opinion, you have the right to express it. The problem is that expressing it you are communicating with people and you have to be a little careful on HOW you express your own opinions. Make no mistake about it, the certain animosity and sarcasm that you feel it’s directed towards you doesn’t come from the fact that you have different opinions, but from your attitude in expressing those opinions. I believe by now everyone here is acquainted with your opinion about the basis of Shania’s success. The huge majority of the people around here don’t feel that way, and nothing will make them change their minds. The problem is that you seem to believe they are having this view because they are under some “Shania spell” that prevents them from thinking clearly and reaching the conclusions that you think are correct. Well none on this earth is the holder of the universal truth and therefor anyone who claims that is a little arrogant, just to use a mild word. You are not claiming that in words, you keep repeating that those are only your opinions, but your attitude is the one of showing a wave of superiority over the others. That is the problem and that’s why people are reacting like that to your posts. I don’t know if you do it intentionally or not, but that’s the fact. The main thing that probably makes you feel this way is the fact that you don’t consider yourself to be obsessed with Shania, therefor you can have a more objective look on things. I’m sorry to tell you this, but that is absolutely no guarantee. One can be absolutely uninvolved into something and still make the wrong judgements. The problem is that it seems to me you have lost your objectivity. Being objective means to take into consideration both the good and the bad parts. When you came first to this forum and read about Shania, you were disturbed by the positive posts for Shania and decided to even the balance by putting some negative ones on. And then you received some replies that you didn’t like and your positions got more extreme. Now you can say that you posted the negative ones to balance the positive ones already brought by others. It is a way of thinking. But all you’ve achieved is creating sides and negative feelings. If you really wanted to be objective you should have wrote the good parts about Shania, too. You would have won a lot more by doing that. If you don’t think there are good parts worth mentioning, then I’m sorry, that objectivity of yours works only for your system of values. How many positive things did you write about her in your posts? I for one don’t remember many. And there are other people that feel this way too, and they can’t be accused of being zombified by Shania, they have a very well defined system of values. So, as I told you once before, you’ll have a lot more to gain when you drop that attitude and show a little respect for some of the people here and they will show it back to you. When Iloveshania started that debate topic I thought things would get on a right path as far as you are concerned, but now all I see are contradictions.

I did not buy Shania's CD just because of her looks! I heard "Love Gets Me Everytime" on the radio, then I went in bought it because she has a great voice! If you are saying she doesn't have a good voice, you are wrong! Yes, she does have good looks, but why do you think she tours and stuff? That's what got her record sells up! So don't think someone would just buy her CD to look at the cover or the pictures! She has a great voice and a great talent, so don't say she doesn't!

[Borske]

CJB I MUST agree with you. Shania is using sex to sell cds. Thers no way around it. Look at her videos, and what she wears to the American award shows. She is using sexual manipulative selling features.

[shanilia]

Everyone was ganging up on CJB, but finally one supporter - the poster before this one.

I don't quite see how CJB's opposing opinion was expressed in an uncourteous manner. I just don't see it. In fact, I thought it was an acceptable way of expressing an opposing viewpoint.

As for the picture, I never liked to see pictures of anyone who purposely posed by leaning over that showed their cleavage hanging out. It's so obvious why celebrities would do that: just to show their cleavage. If Shania were sitting with her back straight, the low neckline shirt wouldn't bother me that much. It's just the position she's sitting in that bothers me because the purpose of that picture is so clear, which I wrote above.

One person may think there's nothing wrong with exposing cleavage, but another person may think it's wrong. Apparantly, from looking at this thread, most people prefer the first person.

[garyphyllis]

Originally posted by CJB:
I just looked at this picture and woah.. you guys don't think this is a little umm how shall I say it.... provocative?

I find that VERY inappropriate.

What's the purpose of a picture like that?? Geez.
http://www.shania.org/images/gallerypic.jpg


CJB,

Thanks for the picture, its nice.

[garyphyllis]

Originally posted by CJB:


Also, any guy that would look at that and get 'riled up' as one stated... you are some pervert! .]

CJB,

Ok, now Im getting confused about this whole perversion thing, and what is politically correct.

I always thought it was GOOD for "boys" to like "girls", and vice versa.

I know clinton/gore for the last 8 years and all you democrats down there in Florida right now are trying to re-define what is perversion, and what isnt, but you are going too far when you say that it is "perversion" for normal males to be attracted to a nice healthy young woman like Shania.

[Longshot]

First I want to apologise for not replying to this sooner since it concerns my site, I have been so busy lately I havent been able to keep up with the forums as much.

I have to admit to being surprised at this generating two pages worth of comment. Shania strictly controls all images of her that are released to publications, if she didnt like it then no one would ever have printed it. Its as simple as that.

As regards the point someone made about the image being edited to show more cleavage I can assure you that this is not the case. The original image was scanned by bmac and as anyone on here who knows him will realise, he would never purposely edit an image in this way.

Personally I think it is a nice picture and not because of the cleavage.. As someone else mentioned it is a beautiful pic of Shania which shows her eyes and her pretty face better than many others. One of the problems I have is in finding images large enough to actually be displayed on the main gallery page of shania.org. Most photos of Shania tend to appear in US publications and as I live in the UK, unless someone actually sends me the magazine I have to rely on other peoples scans which often arent large enough.

For those of you who didnt know, the image was taken from an edition of USA Weekend magazine from around mid-1999.

[Ally]

Hi there!
Wow, whatta discussion...But don´t you think that it´s good that there are many different opinions in this forum? Wouldn´t it be kinda boring always to hear just one side? Well, I don´t agree with the initiator, too, it´s ridiculous to say that people buy her records because of her looks, why would women buy it? I don´t think they get turned on or anything... I don´t don´t have this prude attitude. Why are women, who show a little more than usual (but what´s usual nowadays...)of their beautiful body considered to be cheap? Women like Shania can be proud to show what they have, every woman should be. By the way, we live in the year 2000! What would you say if Shania showed up on a beach wearing a bikini? You would see more than on that pic, but would it be cheap or considered to be cheap by others? I don´t think so! Okay, only my point of view and I hope everyone accepts it *LOL*...:-)
Bye then, Ally

[Debster]

What is all the fuss about? I looked at the photo and didn't see anything vulgar. Guess it depends on how you look at the situation. She is a beautiful woman and if I'd looked like her, I would flaunt it too! I don't think it makes her look cheap. I've seen worse from other singers.

[GisaTwain]

I totally disagree with people who says that Shania uses your sexuality to sell cd!

She's pretty...so what? Is just a picture of this moment, not of Shania's life, and she's an adult, she knows what she's doing!

I know that her success is concentrade in your music, in your job, not in your body!

Guys, she's a great person, she wouldn't do anything to disappoint anyone.

She is a great singer and her songs are very cooooooolll!!!!!!!!!!!


SHANIA KEEPS ROCK THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shaniakisses
and take care

GisaTwain

[garyphyllis]

Originally posted by Ally:
Hi there!
Wow, whatta discussion...But don´t you think that it´s good that there are many different opinions in this forum? Wouldn´t it be kinda boring always to hear just one side?




Ally,

You got that right!

Can you imagine how boring it would be if we all just sat around agreeing with each other forever?