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SHANIANUTS!
07-24-2002, 12:50pm
OPINION | July 24, 2002
Preserving the Jury's Privacy
By BARBARA A. BABCOCK (NYT) Op-Ed

Preserving the Jury's Privacy
By BARBARA A. BABCOCK


STANFORD, Calif. —
The other night on TV, I saw an actual jury deliberating in a real case. It happened in an Arizona court that allowed discreetly placed cameras and microphones to record "the secret world of jury deliberations," as they were described on the court's Web site. Drastically edited (three days down to 15 minutes), the deliberations were a dramatic highlight in each episode of "State v.," an ABC series, produced by the news division, that aired nationwide for five weeks this summer.

As an old trial lawyer, criminal procedure teacher and lover of the American jury, I worry about cameras in the jury room. Recording deliberations could change the nature of the jury in unpredictable and perhaps unconstitutional ways. And while post-verdict interviews of individual jurors by the media and others are also problematic, filming the deliberations as they occur — and then airing them on nationwide TV for entertainment purposes — raises these concerns to a new level.

The Bill of Rights guarantees that a group of ordinary citizens stands between the state and a criminal defendant. The resulting system is far from perfect, and any particular jury's mistakes are all too visible. Yet most people who have experienced juries directly, and most scholars who have studied the institution, believe in the jury system. They see it not only as a historic symbol of democracy but also as a practical institution that performs its job well.

But to function in its intermediary role, a jury must be completely independent: of the state, of the parties and of the community itself. It comes together as a group of strangers, ignorant of the case and its participants. It meets only on this one matter, never to be officially reconstituted, and it will never be held accountable for its verdict. An equally important aspect of the jury's independence is that it deliberates in secret and need not defend or justify the process by which it reaches its decision.

Even in our open society, confidentiality is sometimes necessary for a full airing of the issues. We would not think of filming the justices of the Supreme Court in conference, for instance, or a legislative strategy session hammering out a compromise. In such settings, the participants need the freedom to try out positions and to reveal their uncertainties — both of which are much less likely to happen in front of a camera.

Moreover, many potential jurors may not want to serve if there is a chance their deliberations could be made public. After all, for most citizens jury service is an unfamiliar task, fraught with the possibility of mistakes. No one would want to look stupid or say something unpopular on national television; many prospective jurors would see the possibility of becoming public figures, if only for a short while, as yet another reason not to serve. There are too many of these reasons already, including the inadequate compensation and hard work involved.

Of course, jurors may consent to cameras in the jury room, as they did in Arizona. But they cannot anticipate all the consequences of recording their work on videotape. Before long, for example, defense lawyers will seek the tape of the whole deliberation, to raise issues about jury errors.

Against these considerations is the view that democratic government should be open and that seeing juries in action would be educational. Yet, as other courtroom programs demonstrate — not just trials shown on Court TV, but "reality TV" shows that reveal conversations between lawyers and witnesses — it is possible to educate the public without showing jury deliberations. Finally, there is the argument that the chance to be on TV might actually attract some people to jury service, though whether this attraction is beneficial to the judicial system is debatable.

In the 1950's a nationwide outcry followed the revelation that legal scholars had (with judicial permission) recorded juries in six civil cases for an academic study. In the controversy's aftermath, Congress passed a law making it a crime for "anyone to record, listen to, or observe" jury deliberations in federal courts.

The episode revealed a deeply shared belief that no one, even with the best intentions, should invade the jury's sanctum. Whether that consensus still exists is hard to say. But I think it is worth asking ourselves whether we want to risk damage to one of this country's most sacred democratic institutions for the sake of a few weeks' summer entertainment.


Barbara A. Babcock is a professor at Stanford Law School.

www.nytimes.com

canoilers
07-25-2002, 2:55am
anything to get a dollar.

ShaniaLookAlike
07-25-2002, 3:10am
Well, I think what the jury does while deliberating should be kept private. . :smirk:

In a high profile case, the jury is screened very thoroughly. . with that said I think we should trust them as a group to make the right decision.

I strongly agree with the "jury system". :up:
When most people are wrongly accused, they'd rather have a jury determine their fate than one judge, who could be biased.

So, from having a jury. . there's a greater chance of having a non-biased and fair judgement. Some judges can get so sick and tired of the same type of cases, they might not think things through thoroughly.

Yeah, judges aren't suppose to be biased. . but it obviously happens, they're human too.

JMO :kiss:

canoilers
07-25-2002, 5:58am
the problem is how do you keep them from infromation that might perjure their unbiasness these days.

SHANIANUTS!
07-25-2002, 4:23pm
Lock 'em up without outside world contact from the get go!



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ShaniaLookAlike
07-25-2002, 7:37pm
Originally posted by canoilers
the problem is how do you keep them from infromation that might perjure their unbiasness these days.

Very carefully! ;)

Most juries are not allowed to read the paper, watch the news or anything else that might change their opinion about the case.

canoilers
07-25-2002, 7:40pm
yhea but at some point there going to have to have human contact, with people with a biased opinion.

ShaniaLookAlike
07-25-2002, 7:49pm
Originally posted by canoilers
yhea but at some point there going to have to have human contact, with people with a biased opinion.

Well yeah. . .that's only human nature. Most people are biased about one thing or another. But hopefully it's an issue that doesn't affect the court case. :uhh:

I think it's better to have several people deciding your fate than one person. . . :smirk:

canoilers
07-25-2002, 8:02pm
true, true. I totally agree with you, and the rights of the innocent must be protected. but never undrestimate the power of influence. one person bias can do alot if the influence others. all it takes is one person on a jury. look at manson did.

ShaniaLookAlike
07-25-2002, 8:09pm
Originally posted by canoilers
true, true. I totally agree with you, and the rights of the innocent must be protected. but never undrestimate the power of influence. one person bias can do alot if the influence others. all it takes is one person on a jury. look at manson did.

Absolutely, some people can be very persuasive.

There's been cases in which one person was able to persuade the entire jury to vote not guilty when the entire jury was planning on voting guilty.

As it turns out that was a good thing. . . .because a few years later than man was proven to be innocent due to DNA.

canoilers
07-25-2002, 10:10pm
anyone can be persauded its just a matter of pushing the right botton.

ShaniaLookAlike
07-25-2002, 10:17pm
Originally posted by canoilers
anyone can be persauded its just a matter of pushing the right botton.

Maybe some people. . . :smirk:

I think it depends on the case. .

Mutt-
07-26-2002, 12:49am
Here I am! Not much of a debate. I agree with ShaniaLookAlike on this one as far as the jury is concerned anyway. But I do believe that court trials should be open to the public.

I've told you, Shanianuts! My computer is fried!!! I'm on here with only 16 colors and it will boot me in a few minutes (whenever) and will restart my computer. My original drive crashed and I pulled one from an older computer. Is amazing I can even do this! When I boot is says to install my boot disk, but it is corrupted. I need to reinstall Windows and it won't let me. It won't let me do much of anything. Don't know how much longer it's gonna last like this tho. So, if you don't see me, you'll know what happened. :uhh: :rolleyes:

canoilers
07-26-2002, 2:44am
there ar things that can be improved.

SHANIANUTS!
07-26-2002, 6:01pm
Originally posted by Mutt-
Here I am! Not much of a debate. I agree with ShaniaLookAlike on this one as far as the jury is concerned anyway. But I do believe that court trials should be open to the public.

I've told you, Shanianuts! My computer is fried!!! I'm on here with only 16 colors and it will boot me in a few minutes (whenever) and will restart my computer. My original drive crashed and I pulled one from an older computer. Is amazing I can even do this! When I boot is says to install my boot disk, but it is corrupted. I need to reinstall Windows and it won't let me. It won't let me do much of anything. Don't know how much longer it's gonna last like this tho. So, if you don't see me, you'll know what happened. :uhh: :rolleyes: You can always mosey down to your friendly library computers til you get your own computer sorted out eh?!:p :)