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I would like to ask the moderators to remove all threads about Shania lip-synching. I have read a post in the official club message board posted by one of their members and she says all this bad publicity is hurting Shania's sales and airplay at radio. Here is the post:
Hey everyone,
I couldn't get over all the negative attention and gossip about our Shania's Super Bowl performance. Now, i normally don't get too concerned about mindless gossip, but when it starts to effect Shania's sales and air play, its time to say something.
Now, its not breaking news the lack of support Shania is getting on her album Up! since its release. What is disturbing is the lack of respect shown for her at the other message boards, Web sites and by so called "Fan" of hers. You don't know how much this is effecting her sales, and it won't look good when her OWN Fan Club members start to question her ability. Opinions are opinions, but think about what you write before you post. If support won't come from her own label, then its up to us "True Fans" to even the odds.
Another fact is her airplay and album sales have not done well in the US because of the negative media response of the Grey Cup and Super Bowl. Since its release, her singles have had very limited play, at most stations, not all, but most. Promotion is beyond disgraceful, and other artists on the same label get good media promotion. Why not our Girl.
Chart attack.com wrote their mindless article on the super which was just, oh well. ESPN won't even go there. And the typical bashing at so called "Fan Sites" and other messages boards on the web. "True Fans" need to be at these messages boards and put those clueless "Fake-Fans", as it was so cleverly written, where they belong. It is effecting her career(sales & airplay) what doesn't help is the media jumping on the lack of support from "Fake-Fans".
Les
We just cannot start banning general topics. If the threads have nasty posts in them, then delete them and ban the individual person. But to ban talking about lip sunching in general is not right in my opinion. She did lip synch, I don't care, some do, but we should all be allowed to talk about it.
Chloe
Lip sunching is a cousin of lip synching......
Chloe
FinnFreak
02-01-2003, 7:52pm
I apologize in advance - but in my opinion sensorship is not the answer.
I'd rather see people using thier verbal ablities to write off those who
seem to doubt Shania Twain's talent.
If we are not allowed to write anything critical, soon we can completely
forget the following: "I wish that...", "Why couldn't she...", " I didn't like...".
And laying the blame of not-as-good-as-expected chart success on fans...
to my ears that's an incredible accusation!!! I'd buy the next single as
soon as someone would tell me which one it is and where to get it?!?
UP/ INITM/K-C/J... nah! Keep on requesting the whole album on radio..!
I've written that I believe that there should be a symbiosis between the
artist and it's fans... and that fans could be the artist's one big enemy...
but I never thought that the management's/record company's poor-thought
strategies would be blamed on us!!!
I resent that accusation!
I've opened up and said where I stand & made myself look like an idiot:
so what? - still I stand by what I've said & I Ain't Goin' Down!
Secondly: I can understand that not all people like the music I like,
and some might find it amusing trying to wind people up by saying
things that could blow a spark into a flame...
Let them do so.
In the end - we're right. We know it.
discuss...
John / FinnFreak - no quote: I'm pissed.
Silly Dreamer
02-01-2003, 8:00pm
I do not agree with censosership of any kind sorry!
Ben
SHANIANUTS!
02-01-2003, 8:00pm
I think the threads on the same subject should be merged - it does no one any good to have 20 threads on the same subject - the mod could edit the first post on each similar thread saying this is the first thread of such and such topic merged here because it duplicate so many others.
My point is our talking about this controversial subject is causing harm to Shania. I would like to quote the main points of the post from the official boards.
"What is disturbing is the lack of respect shown for her at the other message boards, Web sites and by so called "Fan" of hers. You don't know how much this is effecting her sales, and it won't look good when her OWN Fan Club members start to question her ability. Opinions are opinions, but think about what you write before you post."
"Another fact is her airplay and album sales have not done well in the US because of the negative media response of the Grey Cup and Super Bowl. Since its release, her singles have had very limited play, at most stations, not all, but most. Promotion is beyond disgraceful, and other artists on the same label get good media promotion. Why not our Girl. "
I am not generally for censorship, however in this matter, the negative post are what are causing the damage.
I would also like to quote a lyric from a song I know that is fitting to this situation.
"Think before you speak or suffer for your words, learn to give respect that others give to you".
Just think about what you say before you say it. Even though you are voicing an opinion, at the same time you may be causing damage to Shania's reputation. Things we say may result in considerable consequences...for us all!
LES is not a moderater over there, I think he is just a great fan who sounds like a moderater.
La Diablesa
02-01-2003, 10:51pm
of course we should let *some* negative critic but when this critic is one and again all the time and u can see like 1 millions of diferent topics but all of them just say the same then is getting damn boring and just stupid!!!! JMO!!! WE SHOULD MERGE ALL OF THEM IN JUST 1 TOPIC!!! so then nobody could accuse us beign *Nazis* :rolleyes: and we can admite critics too but all in just 1 topic WOULD BE THE BEST!!!!
:devil:
SHANIANUTS!
02-02-2003, 12:07am
Originally posted by La Diablesa
of course we should let *some* negative critic but when this critic is one and again all the time and u can see like 1 millions of diferent topics but all of them just say the same then is getting damn boring and just stupid!!!! JMO!!! WE SHOULD MERGE ALL OF THEM IN JUST 1 TOPIC!!! so then nobody could accuse us beign *Nazis* :rolleyes: and we can admite critics too but all in just 1 topic WOULD BE THE BEST!!!!
:devil: You did not quote me this time, eh?:p :p :p
What we are saying on this board is not influencing Shania's sales!! I think that concept is absurd! She has been getting flack from day one, and her sales have been quite healthy despite all the cr*p that she has always received.......
If her sales are not as strong as they once were, it is not her fans or her critics fault.....
I am not surprised that her sales are down, in my opinion, the natural course of time(all artists sales go down eventually) and a weaker album have contributed to the main reasons why her sales are down. I could care less how much she sales, I enjoy the album, but I just don't think that it will be a mega seller.....
Chloe
Let's do a little math.
Let's say the night of the superbowl there were 123 users online, guests or members. The fluctuation would be like a Gauss bell, so let's say it was a peak of 1 hour, then the number dropped. Assuming that we had 1,000 people over the span of 2-3 days reading all the threads on the forums about lip synching (and its cousin...;)). There couldn't be much more that that, because the forums software is designed with overflow prevention, so if they were we would have been experiencing the same problems as Roger and the guys on the STNAOFC.
Now assuming all of those people decided they won't buy the album anymore(yeah right..), and also assuming the following days they would go to an average of 10 people (friends, collegues, etc.) that also wanted to buy the album and convinced them not buy it because of what they've read here (yeah right...), we have a total of 10,000 people who won't buy the album. Compared to the total number of potential sales it is insignifficant.
Again this is a worst-case scenario, and a very stupid scenario, I might add.
Conclusion: if her sales are hurt by her performance, which I doubt (there should be at least 10 times more people who liked her performance than those who didn't because of the outfit or the lip synch (or his cousin)), they are hurt because of the live TV generated opinion rather than what's been talked about on this forum, any other forum, or whatever some newspapers say.
SHANIANUTS!
02-02-2003, 1:04am
UP! is selling faster than COO and is already a megaseller.
<<Now assuming all of those people decided they won't buy the album anymore(yeah right..), and also assuming the following days they would go to an average of 10 people (friends, collegues, etc.) that also wanted to buy the album and convinced them not buy it because of what they've read here (yeah right...), we have a total of 10,000 people who won't buy the album. Compared to the total number of potential sales it is insignifficant.>>
But look what you started.... You left off with 10,000 people, but what in case those 10 people told 10 people, who then told 10 people, who told 10 more really popular people who then told 40 people.........And we all know where this is going to end....right at Kevin Bacon's door.
We will be lucky if she sees sales of 1,000 units next week.....
Chloe
LOL-Chloe, I like to see the funny side coe out of you!
SHANIANUTS!
02-02-2003, 12:54pm
Originally posted by Londo
Let's do a little math.
Let's say the night of the superbowl there were 123 users online, guests or members. The fluctuation would be like a Gauss bell, so let's say it was a peak of 1 hour, then the number dropped. Assuming that we had 1,000 people over the span of 2-3 days reading all the threads on the forums about lip synching (and its cousin...;)). There couldn't be much more that that, because the forums software is designed with overflow prevention, so if they were we would have been experiencing the same problems as Roger and the guys on the STNAOFC.
Now assuming all of those people decided they won't buy the album anymore(yeah right..), and also assuming the following days they would go to an average of 10 people (friends, collegues, etc.) that also wanted to buy the album and convinced them not buy it because of what they've read here (yeah right...), we have a total of 10,000 people who won't buy the album. Compared to the total number of potential sales it is insignifficant.
Again this is a worst-case scenario, and a very stupid scenario, I might add.
Conclusion: if her sales are hurt by her performance, which I doubt (there should be at least 10 times more people who liked her performance than those who didn't because of the outfit or the lip synch (or his cousin)), they are hurt because of the live TV generated opinion rather than what's been talked about on this forum, any other forum, or whatever some newspapers say. So you are saying this website is not all that influential, eh?:p
Originally posted by jen
LOL-Chloe, I like to see the funny side coe out of you!
Thanks, Jen :)
Chloe
Originally posted by SHANIANUTS!
So you are saying this website is not all that influential, eh?:p
It depends on how you define influence. If you take the one-on-one relationship with the ordinary fan, it’s not that influential. Not even by the ordinary person’s word of mouth. However there is the possibility of VIP’s checking this site from time to time and reading information about her. I’m talking about DJ’s, reporters, etc, people with mass impact. I know there have been some situations in the past when these kind of people stared spreading certain rumors that they claimed they read on some Shania websites, possibly forums. They might have been talking about the STONAFC board, and that’s partially why Chris, Roger & Co are so sensitive about everything it’s being posted there. So in this regard, one can say we have a certain influence.
Now that makes you feel good or bad, I couldn’t tell from your post?:p
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 9:24am
I thought you mods were mindreaders?:)
Chris has the same problem - he does not know how to decipher some of my posts. He has tried and is invariably wrong.
I love to keep 'em guessing.:) Sorta like a woman.......
Originally posted by SHANIANUTS!
Sorta like a woman....... :huh: :uhh: :huh:
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 11:43am
Originally posted by aFinn
:huh: :uhh: :huh: :p :kiss:
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 11:44am
I was wonderin' who might first note that comment and post on it!:)
Is there a prize for the first one :huh: :p
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 12:36pm
Originally posted by aFinn
Is there a prize for the first one :huh: :p A post with only smilies is not a real post!:p :p :kiss: And a question without a questionmark is not a question!:p :p
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 12:42pm
I see you see!:)
rosakelley
02-04-2003, 1:04pm
I GUESS YOU GUY'S DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE ON MSN WEB SITE! WHAT YOU HEARD WAS BACKGROUND VOCALS. PLEASE READ THE MSN ARTICLE! IF YOU GUY'S CAN'T FIND IT I HAVE IT AND WILL WRITE IT OUT ON THE FOURMS.
SHANIANUTS!
02-04-2003, 1:13pm
Originally posted by rosakelley
I GUESS YOU GUY'S DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE ON MSN WEB SITE! WHAT YOU HEARD WAS BACKGROUND VOCALS. PLEASE READ THE MSN ARTICLE! IF YOU GUY'S CAN'T FIND IT I HAVE IT AND WILL WRITE IT OUT ON THE FOURMS. I think we all have seen it at least a dozen times here and there on these forums :)
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iloveshania
02-20-2003, 11:41pm
Ughh!I'm so sick of topics like this!I know that you are just concerned for Shania's welfare, but to say that healthy debate on her lip-synching is devastating to her career is ridiculous!DON'T believe everything you read!I'm sure Shania would want to see the opinions of all her fans respected and freely expressed; not censored! :rolleyes:
I do agree that topics discussing the same thing should be merged!Much less clutter that way!
I am really tired of seeing the term "true fan"!It's not for anyone else to judge what a true fan is!A fan is a fan!Unless someone is going out of their way to bash Shania and antagonize the members their opinions should be respected and their fanship should not be questioned! JMO
Moni XOX
iloveshania
02-20-2003, 11:48pm
LMAO Chloe! :funny: :funny: :funny:
You've got the kind of humour I totally respect and enjoy! :D
Moni XOX
manu_georgine
02-21-2003, 8:13am
I think that's bull! That easy .
Nobody hurts Shania's sales or reputation if they're talking about her lip-synching. And if she is lip-synching... well too d@mn bad for her, if it's anybody's fault, it's sure as hell not ours. We're not the ones doing it.
Now I'm not one of these people who say she can't sing or anything, so don't even start to accuse me of not being a real fan, I know she's a wonderful singer. But personally I don't understand how people can be all upset about her not singing live when it's obviously her choice. And she's not stupid. She knows what consequences it can or cannot have.
Mi Mu
I think you two haven't seen the other hundreds of posts on this subject, have you? Just run a search and be amazed.:) But please don't bring them all up.;)
manu_georgine
02-21-2003, 8:50am
Just saying what I think, like everybody else... and yeah, we haven't been around for a while and that's probably good because we would have been banned for sending murder threats to some people. Heh. :D
Mi Mu
manu_georgine
02-21-2003, 8:51am
Oh, not murder threats to you Schatzi. :p
Mi Mu
There were indeed hundreds of posts about this, and the posters were a mix of bashers and dissappointed fans and others, so the circumstances why this thread was done were 'something else' ...
We have discussed this issue to death, so not really much else to say, you guys are a bit late :p
Gandalf
02-21-2003, 3:12pm
Okay......I'm only a little after your post there, aFinn, so it shoudln't be tooo late. Well, my opinion is, if you wanna sensor all these things people sya, whenever they're negative about shania, then this place ceases to be a discussion forum, and more a Shania-loving forum. So, we all joined to discuss, not merely to worship the ground she walks on. Now, obviously if someone is here merely to be offensive, fine, they should be banned or at leats warned, but that is not the issue, the issue is do the FANS have a right to an opinion, and the answer is undobtedly "yes".
:huh: Was just explaining that there were circumstances out of the ordinary of why this thread was created :huh:
There were also bashers amongst the fans.
And that there might not be too much conversation anymore about this matter as it was discussed so much then.
If people would be censored, there would not have been a thousand threads about this issue :smirk:
Gandalf
02-21-2003, 6:01pm
Do the fans have a right to an opinion is the question.
My point. well, I suppose, i tend to say things in too long winded a manner. But the general jist was about the removal of threadsa, hence the title of this thread, and that basically you shouldn't sensor soemthign because it is not totally pro-Shania. I hope this clears things up.
Ah, I see. Well, this thread did not result to any thread deletions, thought you had responded to my earlier post, thus I was confused.
iloveshania
02-21-2003, 10:46pm
Lol Confused is the key word! :p Ya when you don't have a computer for 6 months you tend to be a little late! :uhh:
Moni XOX
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