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reidster
05-27-2004, 12:25am
Shania loses again to Martina McBride for Female Vocalist of the Year. Well, there's always the CMA's. I seriuosly think that the CMA"s need to nominate Shania for entertainer of the year for god's sake! But yeah, I have a feeling Martina will NOT win Female Vocalist of the year at this years CMA's, It's just a feeling though. Anywho... What do you guys think about Shanias loss? :o
I am not surprised that she lost one bit.
1Yukari2
05-27-2004, 12:49am
Great post!
I don't think that many are surprized at all.
It seems that in Nashville , you can't critizes, BUSH : THE DIXIE CHICKS
You have to write "pro war songs" and support, BUSH : TOBY KEITH
And you certainly can't be from Canada and have a Canadian flag in your videos or sell more than ALL the other country females in U.S. HISTORY : SHANIA TWAIN
Sorry, but country music in the U.S. once again shows it is still political, immature and out of touch. :rolleyes:
But, I am sure, Laura48.......... is HAPPY! :p :rolleyes: But Matina WILL NEVER reach Shania's world wide sales #'s or tour attendence numbers.
Don't feel bad for Shania, a Canadian is still the # 1 selling country female in U.S. history and of course NO one can take that DIAMOND 3 peat away from her. :D :D :D You can only do that record ,once.
LuvinST
05-27-2004, 1:14am
I am not a Martina fan myself... She doesn't deserve all the awards she wins no way. I mean come on how many cds has she sold not near what Shania has thats for sure. Martina to me seems like a "Nashville-suck" as is Toby Keith with all his bush antics. Our electricity went out last night guess that was a good thing since by it going off I didn't waste my evening watching the Acadamey Of Corny Music awards lol
I'm not really suprised that Shania lost to Martina. I mean, Shania has had a better year then Martina, with the record sales, and touring, but yet, they still seem to give the trophy to Martina. :rolleyes:
cftennisnative3
05-27-2004, 8:57pm
I am a Martina fan, but I did NOT want her to win. The voters always seem to pick the same person everytime, even when the others are awesome vocalists too. I love Martina but I really wanted Patty Loveless to win...then Shania/Terri/Sara. But I didn't want Martina to win it again.
I am pretty against most of the awards won last night, except Brooks & Dunn's, Alan Jackson's, Dierk's, and Martina's Humanitarian win. I liked some performances too :), but it was not what i expected. (I did think M would win though, i was hopin' to hear another name)
[QUOTE=1Yukari2]
And you certainly can't be from Canada and have a Canadian flag in your videos or sell more than ALL the other country females in U.S. HISTORY : SHANIA TWAIN
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I don't think that really plays a part in this. Terri Clark is from Canada, and a lot of people from Nashville like her. I think it mainly has to do with the fact that she doesn't play by Nashville's rules. She doesn't dress the way they want her to, or sing the songs that they write, or use a Nashville producer, so they are not getting paid for her success as much as they get paid from other artists.
As I said over at the fan club board, I don't give a rat's a$$ what the country music establishment in one country thinks of Shania. Shania doesn't need Nashville and neither do I.
We love her and appreciate her here in her native land. Shania has the whole world to entertain. The heck with them!
Roger
1Yukari2
05-27-2004, 10:15pm
[QUOTE=1Yukari2]
And you certainly can't be from Canada and have a Canadian flag in your videos or sell more than ALL the other country females in U.S. HISTORY : SHANIA TWAIN
QUOTE]
I don't think that really plays a part in this. Terri Clark is from Canada, and a lot of people from Nashville like her. I think it mainly has to do with the fact that she doesn't play by Nashville's rules. She doesn't dress the way they want her to, or sing the songs that they write, or use a Nashville producer, so they are not getting paid for her success as much as they get paid from other artists.
O.K., how do you explain , THE DIXIE CHICKS, then?
OR, the fact that TOBY, was on the same first tour as Shania [who has 2 times , made American music history, in 2004?]
Toby, does write "pro war" songs,doesn't he?
Is Toby, anti BUSH, and is the U.S. South ,mostly Democrate or Replublican?
I guess, I am wrong?
What are NSHVILLE'S rules them?
Maybe ,they are just SEXISTS , then.?
Terri, is from ALBERTA , Canada and knows how to play ball. She has always followed a traditional " NASHVILLE " sound .
How many CMA's and/or ACM's has she won? :D
ShaniaLookAlike
05-27-2004, 10:42pm
I thought Martina would win. . that was no surprise to me. :uhh:
Sure, I wish Shania would've won, but I like Martina too. :)
Shania doesn't put much emphasis on awards. . so why should we? :dunno:
I personally don't get upset if Shania doesn't win an award.
Shania's talent and success have never been displayed at award shows. . . it's at the concerts with thousands of fans cheering! :]
THAT'S where you'll see real appreciation for Shania! :love:
JustAPrettyFace
05-27-2004, 11:09pm
Martina was my second choice for the award.
But I wholeheartedly agree with Angie on this. :)
Besides, Shania won the Flameworthy which was FAN VOTED. That should prove to some people how much the fans like Shania.
Nibbles
05-27-2004, 11:17pm
Not to take away from any of the winners, but Alan Jackson said it best at the CMA's last year said that it's time to award and recognize other artists.
*shesstillthe1*
05-28-2004, 1:02am
Wow I dont even think I should express my comments on this issue because I know I won't say anything nice at all. All I'm gonna say is I agreed with all the awards except Top New Artist, Male and Entertainer. Truthfully I knew Shania would not win because if she didn't win anything during the COO years then I knew now she probably wouldn't. I knew it would be Martina or Sara. And I do think Shania should have gotten an Entertainer of the Year nod, she really gets overlooked in her concert performances by the industry (her tour has probably sold more tix than all the nominees for entertainer combined)...but I also think Martina deserved Female JUST as much as Shania did. They were really the only two women who had more than one big hit in the past year.
And I will admit...Shania really has the BEST show in music no doubt. It is so much fun. I mean Martina's shows are great, nothing compares to her voice live, but the energy at Shania's shows are amazing. What upsets me about Shania's awards is that she doesn't ever get Entertainer nods when she deserves them. Thats what she deserves most cuz that is where she shines most.
I will stop now...I've probably already said too much. I like Shania and Martina both and have been big fans of both for many years and it just bothers me some of the stuff said about Martina here.
Well at least she was nominated, to us she's the number 1 :D
personally I think Gretchen Wilson just may take the automatic Female Vocalist away from McBride
didn't surprise me at all...actually i knew for certain that shania would not win :p
but martina is a AWESOME vocalist!!!! shania is more of an entertainer IMO
Wow I dont even think I should express my comments on this issue because I know I won't say anything nice at all. All I'm gonna say is I agreed with all the awards except Top New Artist, Male and Entertainer. Truthfully I knew Shania would not win because if she didn't win anything during the COO years then I knew now she probably wouldn't. I knew it would be Martina or Sara. And I do think Shania should have gotten an Entertainer of the Year nod, she really gets overlooked in her concert performances by the industry (her tour has probably sold more tix than all the nominees for entertainer combined)...but I also think Martina deserved Female JUST as much as Shania did. They were really the only two women who had more than one big hit in the past year.
And I will admit...Shania really has the BEST show in music no doubt. It is so much fun. I mean Martina's shows are great, nothing compares to her voice live, but the energy at Shania's shows are amazing. What upsets me about Shania's awards is that she doesn't ever get Entertainer nods when she deserves them. Thats what she deserves most cuz that is where she shines most.
I will stop now...I've probably already said too much. I like Shania and Martina both and have been big fans of both for many years and it just bothers me some of the stuff said about Martina here.
I think I generally agree with you. I'm a big fan of both Martina and Shania, and I think both of them are great singers and entertainers. And I think that Shania beats Martina as an entertainer. Shania's shows definitely have more energy and she really knows how to work a crowd.
However, I have to say that I do think Martina's a bit stronger in the vocal area than Shania, which is why she won for Female Vocalist this year. Don't get me wrong; Shania has a BEAUTIFUL voice, and not many people if anyone at all could feel more strongly about that than I. But it's just that I think when it comes to general vocal performance Martina's was a little stronger than Shania's this time.
I personally expected Martina to win over Shania for Top Female Vocalist. If the category had been Entertainer of the Year, then I would have expected Shania to beat Martina. It's just a matter of each woman's strengths and who's farther along where.
Anne-Marie
05-28-2004, 4:18am
As I said over at the fan club board, I don't give a rat's a$$ what the country music establishment in one country thinks of Shania. Shania doesn't need Nashville and neither do I.
We love her and appreciate her here in her native land. Shania has the whole world to entertain. The heck with them!
Roger
Totally agree. :up:
Now just one thing must be clear here. Althought I think Martina has a better range, I don't think overall a better singer too - but its a question of taste.
What you got wrong here, that you assume, that The Female Vocalist of the Year goes only for vocal execution, and it's not. Otherwise always the same singer should won, who has the widest range, for example.
Female vocalist of the Year is like being the "Best Female Artist of the Year', its for the songs, execution, sales, airplay, tour, everything.
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Instead of that, it's always going the the current nashville-darling, mostly, totally disconnected to any real measure of the year that passed. That's why you have this serial-winning. That's why when really Martina should have win, always Faith won, and now when except Shania - who will never win this award from ACM or CMA - Clark or Evans could win too, now Martina winning in series. Then the industry will move on again... That's why these award shows are hack...
Always remind me the figure-skating winnings - many times who won (because inside politics) shouldn't have been, so the joury makes up the losers next year, and makes them winners, when of course maybe someone else should win. And so on, like a chain reaction.
;) O.K., how do you explain , THE DIXIE CHICKS, then?
OR, the fact that TOBY, was on the same first tour as Shania [who has 2 times , made American music history, in 2004?]
Toby, does write "pro war" songs,doesn't he?
Is Toby, anti BUSH, and is the U.S. South ,mostly Democrate or Replublican?
I guess, I am wrong?
What are NSHVILLE'S rules them?
Maybe ,they are just SEXISTS , then.?
Terri, is from ALBERTA , Canada and knows how to play ball. She has always followed a traditional " NASHVILLE " sound .
How many CMA's and/or ACM's has she won? :D
Really, I don't think it has anything to do with her being from Canada. Read my post above. The people don't like her because she's breaking their traditionalist rules. Believe me, the Country Weekly boards are about as traditional country music as you can get, and they like her a lot, but don't like Shania.
JustAPrettyFace
05-28-2004, 4:25pm
Wow I dont even think I should express my comments on this issue because I know I won't say anything nice at all. All I'm gonna say is I agreed with all the awards except Top New Artist, Male and Entertainer. Truthfully I knew Shania would not win because if she didn't win anything during the COO years then I knew now she probably wouldn't. I knew it would be Martina or Sara. And I do think Shania should have gotten an Entertainer of the Year nod, she really gets overlooked in her concert performances by the industry (her tour has probably sold more tix than all the nominees for entertainer combined)...but I also think Martina deserved Female JUST as much as Shania did. They were really the only two women who had more than one big hit in the past year.
And I will admit...Shania really has the BEST show in music no doubt. It is so much fun. I mean Martina's shows are great, nothing compares to her voice live, but the energy at Shania's shows are amazing. What upsets me about Shania's awards is that she doesn't ever get Entertainer nods when she deserves them. Thats what she deserves most cuz that is where she shines most.
I will stop now...I've probably already said too much. I like Shania and Martina both and have been big fans of both for many years and it just bothers me some of the stuff said about Martina here.
Well said Meredith. I have to agree with you. Though I still wanted Shania to win, I think she should get more nods for Entertainer than Vocalist - but that's the award shows for you.
RKSTFan
05-28-2004, 4:39pm
Well, my predictions were almost all right. I got 4 categories wrong - and all 4 of those awards went to the same person.
That just shows you how pathetic the country industry awards have become.
To the person who says that Shania deserves Entertainer, but not Female Vocalist because the award is for singing: You're wrong.
Female Vocalist is not an award that is just supposed to go to the person who can SCREAM the loudest. The award criteria that is supposedly followed by the ACM people considers Vocal ability to be only a very small part of the criteria.
Take a look at the criteria from the official ACM site that is supposedly followed by the voters:
Top Female Vocalist
This award is presented to an outstanding individual female vocalist in the country music industry during the preceding calendar year. The factors to be considered in arriving at this award include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of prerecorded music, live concert ticket sales and vocal performances. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
http://www.acmcountry.com/awards_categories.htm
Now. Can anyone tell me where SHANIA's ACM Female Vocalist trophies are?
Oh yeah. Three of them are sitting in Faith Hill's house and 3 more of them are sitting at Martina McBride's house. http://www.shaniaforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Here is the REAL reason why Shania has not, and will not EVER take home a Female Vocalist trophy:
The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
http://www.shaniaforums.com/images/smilies/mad.gif
RKSTFan
05-28-2004, 4:49pm
Also, while you are on the official "criteria" page for the ACM awards, take a look at the "criteria" that ACM voters supposedly use to determine the nominees and winners in the Entertainer of the Year category.
Entertainer of the Year
This award is presented to the individual, duo or group who showed the most overall success in the country music industry during the preceding calendar year. The factors to be considered in arriving at this award include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of prerecorded music, success of music videos, live concert ticket sales, artistic merit, appearances on television, appearances in films, songwriting, writing and contributions to the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
http://www.acmcountry.com/awards_categories.htm
Shania did not even get nominated for Entertainer of the Year.
Want to know why?
Once again, here is your answer:
The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
:mad:
pep_sesse
05-28-2004, 5:32pm
my opinion is that politic and politician should not interfere with music and the music industry ;)
Shania definately should have won entertainer of the year. She's obviously sold more concert tickets than all of those people that were nominated in that category. She's a much better performer than all of them, and she gets the fans envolved more than any of them do. But of course, since they don't get in on the money, and she is a female, they ignore her success. :rolleyes:
It's all a matter of opinion.
JustAPrettyFace
05-29-2004, 12:46am
To the person who says that Shania deserves Entertainer, but not Female Vocalist because the award is for singing: You're wrong.
Would you rather Shania walk away with Female Vocalist awards, than the most coveted award -- Entertainer of the year? Yes, in my eyes she deserves both of them. But also in my eyes, you win some, you lose some. I personally think Shania would rather have those Flameworthy's than anything voted by an "Acadamey" or whatever that crap is.
I also think you should stop worrying about it. Her time will come. She's won more awards internationally than anybody else in any of the categories, so I vote we be happy with what we have and just drop it.
1Yukari2
06-07-2004, 11:51am
Also, while you are on the official "criteria" page for the ACM awards, take a look at the "criteria" that ACM voters supposedly use to determine the nominees and winners in the Entertainer of the Year category.
Entertainer of the Year
This award is presented to the individual, duo or group who showed the most overall success in the country music industry during the preceding calendar year. The factors to be considered in arriving at this award include, but are not limited to, success at radio, sales of prerecorded music, success of music videos, live concert ticket sales, artistic merit, appearances on television, appearances in films, songwriting, writing and contributions to the country music industry. The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
http://www.acmcountry.com/awards_categories.htm
Shania did not even get nominated for Entertainer of the Year.
Want to know why?
Once again, here is your answer:
The nominees shall be determined by a nomination ballot(s) and are subject to the approval of the board. The winner shall be determined by a vote of the membership of the ACM.
:mad:
And the 2 largest selling country artists [ tour,cds,T.V. ] have won nothing that was not fan voted.
The Dixie Chicks had the largest tour last year and sold a lot of cds and Shania was second.
Shania made American music history 2 times .
1. she became the largest seller of female country music in U.S. country.
history.
2. She broke a record for a diamond 3 peat which has never been done before.
3. Shania also did a FREE concert in Chicago.
So, if Nashville [ mostly Republican based ], had no politics involved , why then were both the DIXIE CHICKS and Shania NOT up for entertainer of the year? :huh:
And why do other countries with a country music tradition not having this kind of problem? :huh:
Who is on AMC, BOARD ?......... RUSH L. :p
GO FIGURE? :rolleyes:
reidster
06-07-2004, 3:49pm
BTW whoever said Martina and Shania were to the only two females to have one hit in the past year!! Martina's only had "This one's for the girl's" In the past year (before nominations). Terri also had, I'm pretty sure 2 hits this past year, and others. But Martina only had "This one's for the girl's", because Concrete Angel was out 2 months before last years nominations.
RKSTFan
06-07-2004, 6:40pm
BTW whoever said Martina and Shania were to the only two females to have one hit in the past year!! Martina's only had "This one's for the girl's" In the past year (before nominations). Terri also had, I'm pretty sure 2 hits this past year, and others. But Martina only had "This one's for the girl's", because Concrete Angel was out 2 months before last years nominations.
Despite what the "criteria" states on the official ACM board, having hits and big sales does not matter to the people who decide who gets the awards. All that matters is who is the biggest industry favorite? That is who will get the trophies.
Go read the "criteria" for the Female Vocalist and Entertainer of the Year categories again. Shania should have at least 3 Female Vocalist trophies on her mantle right now. She has ZERO. Shania should also have at least been nominated for Entertainer of the Year. Of course, she did not get nominated.
The CMA awards will be only slightly different in the Female Vocalist category. The difference is that Shania, Patty and Sara Evans will likely be shut out of the Female Vocalist category.
As we all know, Shania will get ZERO CMA nominations.
The Female Vocalist category will likely look something like this.
Female Vocalist of the Year
Terri Clark - a traditionalist; an Opry member; has industry support
Loretta Lynn - a legend; has a new Rock/Country album out with lots of hype from the industry; definite industry support; she will get Dolly's 'veteran' spot on the ballot this year.
Martina McBride - current industry favorite who will be on her way out when Faith gets back; has industry support
Faith Hill - former industry favorite running back to the folks that made her rich; will have industry support if her first single is even mildly more country than "Cry"; she might win if she can get past the Gretchen Wilson hype.
Gretchen Wilson - the most hyped new artist since the Chicks came to town; tons of industry support; has SONY behind her - SONY is the label behind the Chicks who got the Chicks the Horizon Award and the overall Vocal Group award in their debut year.
If SONY has the same pull they had back when the Chicks got all of those trophies, expect Gretchen to get the trophy.
If not, Faith Hill could prevail. Faith needs for her first single, and more importantly - her whole cd, to be just country enough to get welcomed back with open arms by the industry. She also needs it to sell well and get at least decent reviews within the country industry. If she does all of that, the trophy is between her and Gretchen.
Martina may sneak in and get her 7th Female Vocalist trophy at November's CMA awards, but I doubt it. Too much hype for Gretchen and Faith is coming back.
Shania, like always, will be a non-factor at the CMA awards. Even though she's leading in touring for Country music, do not expect an Entertainer of the Year nomination. Expect ZERO nominations for Shania.
*shesstillthe1*
06-08-2004, 12:17am
BTW whoever said Martina and Shania were to the only two females to have one hit in the past year!! Martina's only had "This one's for the girl's" In the past year (before nominations). Terri also had, I'm pretty sure 2 hits this past year, and others. But Martina only had "This one's for the girl's", because Concrete Angel was out 2 months before last years nominations.
No Martina also had "In My Daughters Eyes." Terri only had "I Wanna Do It All." Sara Evans had "Backseat of a Greyhound Bus" and "Perfect." And we all know the 2 Shania had. Patty had one BIG hit "Lovin All Night" and another mini hit "On Your Way Home" (which should have been bigger than it was).
I believe Shania WILL get a nod for CMA Female Vocalist of the Year. I believe the list will be the same as the ACM's minus Patty. I don't believe she will get an Entertainer nod even though she should. I believe she and Martina will each get one nod and that would be Female. I'm starting to think that the only nods females will get will be only in the Female category except Gretchen might get a single of the year nod.
bambas
06-08-2004, 12:56am
Wilson may have the Female Vocalist of The Year award, and Horizon Award.
Shania will have zero nominations.
reidster
06-08-2004, 3:44pm
In My Daughters Eye's was not a hit. I have never heard the song, and was never on CMT, GAC or on country radio here in Canada (well where I live anyway).
*shesstillthe1*
06-08-2004, 7:54pm
In My Daughters Eye's was not a hit. I have never heard the song, and was never on CMT, GAC or on country radio here in Canada (well where I live anyway).
In My Daughters Eyes made it all the way to #4 on the charts I would say that is a hit. It stayed in the top 10 for 8 weeks. There was no actual "video" for the song however CMT did release the live version Martina did w/ Pat Benatar on Crossroads which was always on CMT. But YES it was a hit song.
So therefore Martina and Shania both had 2 big hits last year during the time frame for nods.
I don't care a ***** what they say or think.
As I said over at the fan club board, I don't give a rat's a$$ what the country music establishment in one country thinks of Shania. Shania doesn't need Nashville and neither do I.
We love her and appreciate her here in her native land. Shania has the whole world to entertain. The heck with them!
Roger
Nicely said, Roger. :up: :)
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