Thank God for Shania: leave it to her to shake things Up!

[cftennisnative3]

-- In the cover story of the new CMT Country Music Today magazine, Reba McEntire says that in the old days, an artist picked 20 songs, recorded 10, and released 3 as singles.

She explains that no one went deep into an album until Shania Twain released all those singles from Come On Over.

Now, Reba has big plans for Room to Breathe. She wants to release 8 singles from the CD -- and thanks Shania for being able to do so.

"Thank God for Shania. She changed that mindset. Leave it to Shania to shake things up," says Reba.
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Wow..that is cool. Reba couldn't of said it better :D . Reba rools too :kiss: .

[Troll]

Thanks for the great article

[ka-ching]

Shania definetly opens doors!! :great: Thaanks for posting this CF :kiss:

[GorToma]

thank you :D:D

[Esther]

Reba is right :p

[Kristian]

Reba rules, she's another great lady in country :D

[captainCorr]

Reba is :great:

Thanks very much!! :D

[NJS117]

Reba is absolutely right. Thanks a lot for the article. :)

[cftennisnative3]

I think that's pretty smart, if she releases alot of singles then alot of people will buy her cd, i might even buy it :D.

Yw you guys :)

[Shania's4life!!]

just another of the MANY reasons why Shania Twain is the BEST! :D:up:

[razorbac]

wtg Reba :D:D:D

[Kristian]

Reba has been a great Shania supporter :D

[RKSTFan]

In looking back at this topic, I felt it appropriate to add another quote from Reba that I came across.

The following quote from Reba comes from a 1999 interview article titled "Reba Speaks Her Mind."


Reba also doesn't activate her edit button when it comes to her feelings about presenting Shania Twain with the Country Music Association's Entertainer of the Year award in September.

"I was thrilled the Dixie Chicks and Shania were up for entertainer and I was going to present. I was hoping one of the girls would win," says Reba, who was the last woman to win the top country prize.

"So when I opened that envelope and saw her name, I was so emotional. There was so much I wanted to say and I couldn't get it out."

It was a touching moment in the award show and one the two superstars have talked about since.

"Shania said something really nice to me. She said: 'You presenting me that award was greater than me getting that award.'

"Isn't that sweet?" beams Reba, a long-time supporter of the Canadian star, who has been criticized for being too pop or too sexy. "It hurt my feelings that the industry wasn't behind Shania because she's done so much for the country music industry and the music industry in general.

"So I've apologized to her for the country music business, because I don't think they treated her right," states Reba. "(The award) should have been a lot sooner."


http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsM/mcentire_reba.html



There are other Reba quotes just like that.

[captainCorr]

Reba is just awesome!! :cry: :great:

You go girl!! :D

[canoilers]

Yeppers she is and She's going to be at the BVJ this year. :D

[RKSTFan]

Here's a Reba interview from June 1999 with comments & a funny story about Shania:

Reba McEntire Speaks About Shania

"I think the woman has got talent, I think she has balls to do what she has done, having a whole album out, that many singles to do that well, and then no tour; only Rosanne Cash has done that before. I am very proud of her, everyday I see the sound scan and she sold another week's worth of amzing sales, so more power to her in my book. Shania is one of the best voices to ever enter the musical field, we should all be blessed she is country. There has been a lot of controversy over her "midrif" so to say, but I think if you can do it, why not.

Once you reach a certain age of 44 you just can't do that anymore, let her enjoy it while she can, if it looks good and its not trashy, and tastefully done then it comes off great and Shania always has. Her sound is also a controversial issue, if thats what her heart tells her to do, then do it. If mine did, I would. Why hold someone down, to one musical style when she can succeed at anything? Let her fly. She is not what we call traditional, but she has brought millions of new fans to country, and eventually new fans to the rest of us.

A lot of times her personality is in question also, she comes off as a money driven b****, I can honestly say that Shania, is one of the best friends I have in and out of the industry, she called about 1 week ago, from England, to tell me how well she liked the new single, and we chit chatted for a while. Then i called not too long ago really and told her how well i liked "That Don't Impress Me Much" - another woman's anthem song - what we need more of. And then a lot of times, the reign of queen is called into question. She told me that she would never ever take the queen of country away, and that, in her eyes and millions more I would always be the queen, and each time when questioned in an interview if she considers herself queen of country she replies "No, Reba is the undisputable queen of country".

Recently at ACM's we met again, and had a pic together, and they did a caption on star, about teary eyed Reba has been dethroned by Shania. It was me and Shania and Faith, and Terri Clark on my jet, I thought she was ready to blow her top, when she saw the rag magazine. The real reason was because she told me how beautiful I looked, and about how the award show was ****** because netiher one of us won! I wasn't crying I had been laughing so hard - she is hilarious.

So you see Shania is not only a beautiful woman, a talented singer, a wonderful entertainer, she is a great friend. I will always defend her, she will always be one of my best girl friends. I count myself blessed that she is country, when she could easily sing anything she wanted to!!!!"


http://shaniatwainnews.20m.com/favorite_links.html

[canoilers]

Thats like the coolest thing I've ever heard said about Shania. :D Leave it too reba, thats some woman Shania's got in her corner and vice versa. Its a beautiful thing too say. :D

[captainCorr]

WoW!! Fantastic 'article'..... :love: Reba!! :D

And now I can definately say one thing:

Thank God for Reba: leave it to her to defend Shania!

[cftennisnative3]

wow, thanks RKST, those were great to read :D

[canoilers]

WoW!! Fantastic 'article'..... :love: Reba!! :D

And now I can definately say one thing:

Thank God for Reba: leave it to her to defend Shania!
Considering most of what comes out of other artists mouths is pretty negative about Shania. Its fantastic that someone with some real clout has said something positive. I fricken love it. :D

[RKSTFan]

Here's one more article with comments about Shania in it:

Reba McEntire Apologizes To Shania Twain For Music Industry Treatment

(LAUNCH, 11/17/1999 7:00 AM)

By Craig Rosen

(11/17/99, 7 a.m. ET) - When Reba McEntire presented the entertainer of the year award to Shania Twain at the 1999 Country Music Assn. Awards in September, she was thrilled by the honor. In fact, McEntire says she had long felt that the music industry had slighted Twain and was relieved when she read her name as the winner.

"I was really hoping she'd win. That was her first award on the CMAs, to my knowledge," McEntire tells LAUNCH. "She didn't win album of the year at the ACM or CMAs--she should have. She was at the top of the charts forever, and she wasn't recognized for that, and I apologized several times for that to her. I said, 'I'm sorry. That's not fair.' And when she won the entertainer of the year, and for me to get to pass that to the next female to receive it since I was the last to receive it in '86, was perfect! I stepped away from the microphone and said, 'I am so thrilled to be able to present this to you.' It meant the world to me."


http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=162898

[canoilers]

Another great one, thank you so much for posting.

[RKSTFan]

I have other quotes from Reba where she's talking about Shania but I don't have links for them anymore.

I printed the quotes years ago but the sites that they appeared on are gone.

I've got Reba quotes about Shania from Countrycool.com and other sites that are no longer active.

Overall I would have to say that Reba has been the most supportive artist in regard to Shania. No other artist has consistantly defended Shania over the years.

Other artists have defended Shania when it benefited them and/or when they felt like it and then changed to the 'other' side so to speak.

Reba has been Shania's one and only consistant defender in the industry. Dolly has also recently started speaking out on Shania's behalf.

I just wish more artists would do that, and not turn around and stab Shania in the back. :scowl:

[canoilers]

Yes I also seen Kenny Rogers say nice things about Shania. :D Its nice too see the heavy weights of the industry back her up. :D I don't have any links too them because I've seen it on the tube.

[RKSTFan]

Considering most of what comes out of other artists mouths is pretty negative about Shania. Its fantastic that someone with some real clout has said something positive. I fricken love it. :D

I agree.

So many artists are quick to come out and slam Shania, especially when it's the Popular thing to do at the time, and often times people who do come out and say good things about her end up stabbing her in the back later on.

I just wish the industry was more about music, artistry and rightfully rewarding artists for their accomplishments instead of backstabbing fellow artists. :scowl:

[canoilers]

I think the slamming comes from people trying to get their name in the paper, such and such said this about Shania. Gets in the papers everytime.

[cftennisnative3]

Thanks for all the quotes RKST :up: , Reba brings alot of smilies to my face, she's great :D.

Do you know which artists do not like Shania in Nashville? :dunno:

[Kristian]

Reba is great, and I'm happy Shania has the support from the most important country singers of all the time as Reba, Willie, and Dolly.

[cftennisnative3]

Toby Keith, Trace Adkins, and Josh Turner like her too ;)

[Mizery1]

I don't think there is an artist who dislikes her. Its the big wigs of Nashville.

[RKSTFan]

Thanks for all the quotes RKST :up: , Reba brings alot of smilies to my face, she's great :D.

Do you know which artists do not like Shania in Nashville? :dunno:

Well, that's a complicated question. A LOT of artists have taken shots at Shania at one point or another. Some of them are rare offenders, some of them are repeat offenders and some are just down right NASTY!

The main knife carriers who have always taken jabs at Shania are:

Steve Earle - He said Shania is "highest paid lap dancer in Nashville" and has a Shania poster in his office that slams Shania; On the poster, the word "talent" written with an arrow pointing at Shania's belly button. :rolleyes:

Take a look at an article mentioning Steve's Shania poster

http://www.shania-twain.org/mb/showthread.php?threadid=1672&goto=nextoldest


George Jones - He did a radio interview in my area during the popularity of his "Choices" song and was asked if he would ever work with Shania. He said "only if she'd start singin' country music" and "get off her high horse." During Shania's promotion overseas for "Come On Over" I remember her mentioning George Jones as one of the country artists she loves/loved to listen to. Free overseas promo for George. He sure chose a really...nice...way to pay Shania back. :mad:


Artists who have taken shots at Shania from time to time and rarely, if ever, defended Shania:

Alan Jackson - "Murder on Music Row"? George Strait said he only did the song "as a joke" but Alan was pretty darn serious about it. Alan sure didn't seem to be joking.

Martina McBride - Since Faith has been out of the spotlight Martina has been the golden child of the industry and taking a couple of shots at Shania in the press. She didn't name Shania but it was clear who she was aiming at.


Those who support Shania when it benefits them:

Faith Hill - Faith will support whomever benefits her the most at the time. She defended Shania and said absolutely glowing comments right up until she herself became a major crossover personality. CMA night in 1999 was the night she took her major shot at Shania. Backstage, after the CMA awards were overwith, Faith said that TIM deserved the trophy and then proceded to downplay Shania's success. Faith summed up Shania's success by saying "Shania's had a good couple of years, BUT..." and then said TIM should have gotten the Entertainer of the Year trophy that night. Her comments caused "gasps" throughout the backstage press room.

Tim stepped in, while Faith was still talking, and said that SHANIA did deserve the trophy. TIM said that Shania deserved the award "for all she's done for country music."

Suddenly, after Faith gets a couple of knives in the back from the industry because of "Cry," Faith is saying "You Go Girl!" at the CMA awards and acting like she's one of Shania's biggest supporters. Faith suddenly acted like 'it's US against the world' - even though Shania is the one that's taken the knives in the back for about 10 years, NOT Faith.

Faith's "You Go Girl!" attitude will change again when her new album comes out. Faith will go to the traditional crowd and be accepted with wide open arms again. Once again, Shania will remain an outcast with few supporters. Faith will be back with the "You Go Girl!" attitude if her new album flops or when the industry gets tired of her again, which ever comes first.

Faith has 14 ACM awards for her career; Shania has 3. Faith has 3 CMA awards for her career; Shania has 1.

In all of the years that Shania has been stabbed in the back and sent home empty handed at award shows, you have never, and probably will never, hear Shania go backstage and take a shot at someone who 'beat' Shania for a trophy. That was truly a low blow by Faith imo. I will never forget that one.


Those who have flip-flopped on their Shania comments:

Vince Gill - He said "That outta shut 'em up, you did it baby!" when Shania got the CMA Entertainer of the Year trophy in 1999. Right before the 2002 CMA awards, he was interviewed about Shania's return and said "I hope she sells 50 million more copies, it's great for the industry." Lately, he's taken countless shots at Shania at award shows and even took a shot, lighthearted or not, at Shania in his song called "Next Big Thing."

I once thought he was a genuine Shania fan but now I wonder. I hate to say this but I don't know how else to put it: Lately, he's been acting like one of the 'industry boys' and turning into a real jerk. I know award shows and some shots in songs are supposed to be funny and lighthearted but he's taken some pretty hard shots at Shania lately.


Brad Paisley - Brad is interesting. He once slammed Shania just about every chance he got. He talked about how country music should be and even took a direct shot at Shania, misquoting Shania in the process and making Shania look bad. Now, after marrying his Hollywood actress wife, he's suddenly defending Shania. He was one of her main defenders after the recent 2003 CMA snub. He defended Shania more than Martina or anyone else.

Take a look at Brad's 2 different Shania-related personalities:

Brad slams Shania:

http://www.shania-twain.org/mb/showthread.php?threadid=715&goto=nextoldest

http://www.shania-twain.org/mb/showthread.php?threadid=715&goto=nextoldest

http://www.shania-twain.org/mb/showthread.php?threadid=1137&goto=nextoldest


Brad defends Shania:

http://www.shania-twain.org/mb/showthread.php?threadid=10707&highlight=Martina



cftennisnative3, as I said way back at the beginning of this post, that's a complicated question.

Those are just some of the artists who have taken shots at Shania throughout the years. There are more, but those are the main ones I remember.

[cftennisnative3]

hmm..very interesting, thank you RKST :)...I'll take that in mind.

[RKSTFan]

Now that I've rambled on about who slams Shania, here's a list of Shania's main defenders:

REBA

Dolly Parton

Toby Keith


Those have been Shania's main defenders. Many others have said positive things about Shania but I think those are the main 3 who have been the most consistant.

[Troll]

Yep that pretty much sums it up RKSTFan

[Kristian]

Alan Jackson - "Murder on Music Row"? George Strait said he only did the song "as a joke" but Alan was pretty darn serious about it. Alan sure didn't seem to be joking.


Hi, I must admit I have an Alan Jackson CD, but could you explain me more about this?? I don't know much about this song, not even the lyrics, but what really happened, and what they say about Shania on it. Thanks.

You're right, Nashville is full of jerks, but at least Shania still have the support of Reba, Toby, and now Dolly.

[RKSTFan]

Hi, I must admit I have an Alan Jackson CD, but could you explain me more about this?? I don't know much about this song, not even the lyrics, but what really happened, and what they say about Shania on it. Thanks.

You're right, Nashville is full of jerks, but at least Shania still have the support of Reba, Toby, and now Dolly.

"Murder on Music Row" is a song sung as a special duo collaboration by Alan Jackson and George Strait. The song does not name any artists, but you know who the song is slamming.

It won Vocal Event of the Year at the 2000 CMA awards. When George & Alan went up to the stage to accept the trophy, George was laughing hysterically and said it was a joke. Alan didn't. I believe George when he said that in part because he asked Shania to Tour with him on his "George Strait Festival" tour right about that time. I don't think George would ask Shania to go on the tour and then do that song to slam her. Maybe I'm just being to kind toward George but he seemed to think it was a joke that wouldn't go very far on the charts or generate many headlines. He was wrong.

Anyway. Here are the lyrics

Nobody saw them running
From 16th Avenue
They never found the fingerprints
Or the weapon that was used
But someone killed country music
Cut out its heart and soul
They got away with murder
Down on music row

The almight dollar
And the lust for worldwide fame
Slowly killed tradition
And for that, someone shouldhang ("Ahh, you tell 'em Alan")
They all say "Not Guilty!"
But the evidence will show
That murder was committed
Down on music row

For the steel guitars no longer cry
And the fiddles barely play
But drums and rock 'n' roll guitars
Are mixed up in your face
Ol' Hank wouldn't have a chance
On today's radio
Since they committed murder
Down on music row

They thought no one would miss it
Once it was dead and gone
They said no one would buy them ol'
Drinkin' and cheatin' songs ("Oh, but I still buy 'em")
Well there ain't no justice in it
And the hard facts are cold
Murder's been committed
Down on music row

For the steel guitars no longer cry
And you can't hear fiddles play
With drums and rock 'n' roll guitars
Mixed right up in your face
Why the Hag wouldn't have a chance
On today's radio
Since they committed murder
Down on music row

Why they even tell the Possum
To pack up and go back home
There's been an awful murder
Down on music row


http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Murder-On-Music-Row-lyrics-Alan-Jackson/AF1D2CCB3FFE7FC448256D640007C7F7

[shmoopie]

I am in no ways a Brad Paisley fan, but I'm not sure how this is considered a slam:

PAISLEY: BIGGER THAN ANYBODY NOT A GOAL
To Brad Paisley, coming to Nashville to be bigger than somebody else was never his goal. "Somebody told me, they said Shania Twain said that her goal when she moved to town was to be bigger than GARTH BROOKS, and they asked me if that was my goal? I said No! Not at all. I could care less who I'm bigger than, that's not a goal. A goal is to be the best that I can be as an artist and stay true to traditional country
music."


The real question was whether he wanted to be bigger than Garth, since someone told him Shania wanted to be (albeit falsely). Ah, but I digress.... :funny:

[cftennisnative3]

I love the song "Murder On Music Row" but it is harsh with it's words, i do believe there should be variety in country music styles, but I also do agree that country music needs to be back to its roots. I love Shania's music and i do consider her country, that's all that matters to me. I really only like the song because I love anything traditional from George and Alan :).

[Kristian]

"Murder on Music Row" is a song sung as a special duo collaboration by Alan Jackson and George Strait. The song does not name any artists, but you know who the song is slamming.

It won Vocal Event of the Year at the 2000 CMA awards. When George & Alan went up to the stage to accept the trophy, George was laughing hysterically and said it was a joke. Alan didn't. I believe George when he said that in part because he asked Shania to Tour with him on his "George Strait Festival" tour right about that time. I don't think George would ask Shania to go on the tour and then do that song to slam her. Maybe I'm just being to kind toward George but he seemed to think it was a joke that wouldn't go very far on the charts or generate many headlines. He was wrong.

Anyway. Here are the lyrics

Nobody saw them running
From 16th Avenue
They never found the fingerprints
Or the weapon that was used
But someone killed country music
Cut out its heart and soul
They got away with murder
Down on music row

The almight dollar
And the lust for worldwide fame
Slowly killed tradition
And for that, someone shouldhang ("Ahh, you tell 'em Alan")
They all say "Not Guilty!"
But the evidence will show
That murder was committed
Down on music row

For the steel guitars no longer cry
And the fiddles barely play
But drums and rock 'n' roll guitars
Are mixed up in your face
Ol' Hank wouldn't have a chance
On today's radio
Since they committed murder
Down on music row

They thought no one would miss it
Once it was dead and gone
They said no one would buy them ol'
Drinkin' and cheatin' songs ("Oh, but I still buy 'em")
Well there ain't no justice in it
And the hard facts are cold
Murder's been committed
Down on music row

For the steel guitars no longer cry
And you can't hear fiddles play
With drums and rock 'n' roll guitars
Mixed right up in your face
Why the Hag wouldn't have a chance
On today's radio
Since they committed murder
Down on music row

Why they even tell the Possum
To pack up and go back home
There's been an awful murder
Down on music row


http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Murder-On-Music-Row-lyrics-Alan-Jackson/AF1D2CCB3FFE7FC448256D640007C7F7Thanks for the info. Looking at the lyrics, I'm sure they could be directed to Shania and Mutt, but I also think nor Shania or Mutt begun the New or Pop country, but they were the first to make it big. This has been happening since a long time ago, and I'd include Garth Brooks on it.

BTW, I still consider Alan Jackson is a good country singer, but I dislike George Strait, he's really boring.

I think Toby is great, and Garth too.

[Kristian]

Brad Paisley is another jerk IMO, another puppet there :mad:

[cftennisnative3]

George Strait is my favorite singer of all time, he's the best imo. Why do you think he's boring?

I also like Brad Paisley alot, I love Shania but everyone has their own opinions, I'm not going to hold it against them (depends who it is).

[Kristian]

And about Martina McBride, even if I have all her CDs, I still think she should receive an award called "Handsaw Of The Year" for being so hypocrite. I consider she has a good voice, and I like her songs, but she's no longer one of my fave singers, I just will listen her music, but not the same feeling as I have with Shania. She thinks she can save the world doing those videos, but I don't think she really wants to, and after all this, Shania has shown to be a really classy lady, she's the best out there, and when she loses she accepts it with humble, and when she wins she doesn't think she's the best around the world.

[Kristian]

George Strait is my favorite singer of all time, he's the best imo. Why do you think he's boring?

I also like Brad Paisley alot, I love Shania but everyone has their own opinions, I'm not going to hold it against them (depends who it is).
Don't take me wrong, I don't have anything against you, and if you like their music is fine with me, but I just don't like them. I hate JLo, but for sure you won't see me bashing her, not even care what she is doing.

About Strait, once I heard a CD with his greatest hits, and after listening to it, I felt so bored. Don't believe me I want to kill him, it was a joke, and I'm going to edit it.

[Kristian]

I don't like his voice and his music, not the same with Alan Jackson, even if I just have a CD, I like his voice and music, not so bored as George Strait.

[cftennisnative3]

And about Martina McBride, even if I have all her CDs, I still think she should receive an award called "Handsaw Of The Year" for being so hypocrite. I consider she has a good voice, and I like her songs, but she's no longer one of my fave singers, I just will listen her music, but not the same feeling as I have with Shania. She thinks she can save the world doing those videos, but I don't think she really wants to, and after all this, Shania has shown to be a really classy lady, she's the best out there, and when she loses she accepts it with humble, and when she wins she doesn't think she's the best around the world.

I love Martina too, but I've heard the argument that she does not mention Shania when she is interviewed...she does not have to at all, that shouldn't be held against her. Martina is classy too.

[cftennisnative3]

O, btw I listed to the Alison Moore songs, that's some good stuff :D..from her earlier CD's, i didnt care for the newer ones

[Kristian]

I love Martina too, but I've heard the argument that she does not mention Shania when she is interviewed...she does not have to at all, that shouldn't be held against her. Martina is classy too.
I think you're right, but I still think she's using a handsaw. I don't know how classy she is, I'm sure Shania is, I've only seen Martina related with country music awards, then of course she's going to be smiling everyone there, since she's the golden lady, but let's see how long she is. But I've seen Shania in and out of music, and she's really classy.

[cftennisnative3]

O yeah, with the whole "Murder.." song thing.... turning country into pop was done long ago..before Shania..in the 80's etc. with country singers crossovering with songs that sound nothing like country, it happened long before Shania came. At least Shania has a country sound and it's great :)

[Kristian]

O, btw I listed to the Alison Moore songs, that's some good stuff :D..from her earlier CD's, i didnt care for the newer ones
You're right her first stuff is country, her latest two CDs are not country, except for a Concert CD called "The Show", where she performs many of those songs.

I heard the newer ones, and I like it, but maybe 'cause I was a rock fan, and now I'm a country fan.

[cftennisnative3]

I think you're right, but I still think she's using a handsaw. I don't know how classy she is, I'm sure Shania is, I've only seen Martina related with country music awards, then of course she's going to be smiling everyone there, since she's the golden lady, but let's see how long she is. But I've seen Shania in and out of music, and she's really classy.
what do you suspect about her so much or distrust her with, do you think she's fake? I know her music is pop-country like Shania's, and I do think she does deserve the awards, I'd like to see other win the awards too but when i listen to her work from this year and last, it's really awesome.

[Kristian]

BTW, what do you think about this song performed by Allison Moorer?? Since we're discussing about Country music, this song can only be found on her Live CD called "The Show"

I'll Break Before I Bend
Written By: Allison Moorer and Doyle Primm

It wears on my patience when I talk to those deejays
at the corporation station they slather on false praise
even though I'm slow I know no radio will give my record spins
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Way up in those ivory towers with gold records on the walls
all the big wigs got the power but they ain't got the balls
the desk bound clowns that run this town have watered down the sound just like their gin
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Hell yeah I'd love to make it but I suck at playing games
I'd rather starve than fake it for a little taste of fame
it's wrong to be a doggone pawn singing songs that make you yawn for payments on a long mercedes benz
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Your opinions??? :huh:

[Kristian]

what do you suspect about her so much or distrust her with, do you think she's fake? I know her music is pop-country like Shania's, and I do think she does deserve the awards, I'd like to see other win the awards too but when i listen to her work from this year and last, it's really awesome.
About using a handsaw I hope you understand what I mean. I don't suspect about her, but since I just see her during those awards or related country things, I don't know about her much, maybe you know. I do think she doesn't deserve them, because if her music is as Shania, then they both shouldn't receive any award, and then they should give those awards to Patty Loveless or Alison Krauss, or any other traditional country singer. I'm just asking for a fair deal, not even asking for giving those awards to Shania. I'd like to see if they could divide Best Female Category on ACM and CMA in Best New Country Female and Best Traditional Country Female. I'm sure Martina would deny she's New country since she says she's not crossing over while she's really doing it.

BTW, I prefer her early stuff.

[cftennisnative3]

BTW, what do you think about this song performed by Allison Moorer?? Since we're discussing about Country music, this song can only be found on her Live CD called "The Show"

I'll Break Before I Bend
Written By: Allison Moorer and Doyle Primm

It wears on my patience when I talk to those deejays
at the corporation station they slather on false praise
even though I'm slow I know no radio will give my record spins
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Way up in those ivory towers with gold records on the walls
all the big wigs got the power but they ain't got the balls
the desk bound clowns that run this town have watered down the sound just like their gin
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Hell yeah I'd love to make it but I suck at playing games
I'd rather starve than fake it for a little taste of fame
it's wrong to be a doggone pawn singing songs that make you yawn for payments on a long mercedes benz
lean on me all you want to, I'll break before I bend

Your opinions??? :huh:
the lyrics look good, i bet alot of traditional country singers whose songs don't make it on radio b/c their 'too country' or dont appeal to the audience feel that way and some do give in and go for commercial success.

About using a handsaw I hope you understand what I mean. I don't suspect about her, but since I just see her during those awards or related country things, I don't know about her much, maybe you know. I do think she doesn't deserve them, because if her music is as Shania, then they both shouldn't receive any award, and then they should give those awards to Patty Loveless or Alison Krauss, or any other traditional country singer. I'm just asking for a fair deal, not even asking for giving those awards to Shania. I'd like to see if they could divide Best Female Category on ACM and CMA in Best New Country Female and Best Traditional Country Female. I'm sure Martina would deny she's New country since she says she's not crossing over while she's really doing it.

BTW, I prefer her early stuff.

Hmm... that would be really cool, those two separate awards, they should do that. Martina is crossovering though, TOFTG was on AC radio now at #1, she's not c-o the same as Shania or Faith but i think she wants too, but i dont really mind.

I do prefer her older stuff too, but she's got alot of good stuff now too, but i always prefer the more country songs of any singer :)

[Kristian]

the lyrics look good, i bet alot of traditional country singers whose songs don't make it on radio b/c their 'too country' or dont appeal to the audience feel that way and some do give in and go for commercial success.

The song is great, and of course she performs so good live, you should try her cd called "The Show", it includes a bonus DVD with all those live performances, and she plays in front of few people, maybe 100-200 people, not really sure, but great CD/DVD.

I think you're right about using that song for those singers. And now she changed her music label, maybe Universal wasn't given her enough support.

[cftennisnative3]

Well, one thing I know, if I'm ever a country singer, NEVER have Mercury as a record label

I'd choose Arista Nashville :)

[Kristian]

Hmm... that would be really cool, those two separate awards, they should do that. Martina is crossovering though, TOFTG was on AC radio now at #1, she's not c-o the same as Shania or Faith but i think she wants too, but i dont really mind.

I do prefer her older stuff too, but she's got alot of good stuff now too, but i always prefer the more country songs of any singer :)I'd consider a third category called "Best Crossing-Over Female Singer". I wouldn't say she's not the same as Shania or Faith, inclusive Faith on her last CD has no Country music at all except Cry, but at least Shania releases a country version. I think Martina is proving how Nashville reacts while seeing her doing crossingover, and then she'll try, if she sees Nashville got upset about it, I'm sure she'll stop doing it, she doesn't want to be the next Faith.

On her new CD, the only song I consider Country is "Wearing White". But In My Daughter's Eyes is not country at all, only a piano and her voice, and there are many examples on her CD, and of course TOFTG is not Country at all.

[Kristian]

Well, one thing I know, if I'm ever a country singer, NEVER have Mercury as a record label

I'd choose Arista Nashville :)
I agree :D I'm sure Shania would be bigger if she decided to change it.

[cftennisnative3]

Yeah, i loved Shania for giving us the country version (which is still the best version i know, as well as Marika ;) ) so I love she did that, when other singers don't do that.

'Reluctant Daughter' is more bluegrass that country but still very good, Ricky Skaggs arranged instruments for it :). I love WW, and i do agree IMDE is not country, its more AC but good lyrics and lol yea TOFTG is pure pop but good message to girls. I think "When You Love Me" has a country sound and could be more country if the electric was lost but I love it anyways. I think "So Magical" is contemporary country. It's a good cd...if you go yrs at Wal-mart (which i doubt you did b/c its a US thing)..you could get the bonus track "Show Me" which is a pure pop-rock song but it's really good, reminds me of U2 :).

[Kristian]

Yeah, i loved Shania for giving us the country version (which is still the best version i know, as well as Marika ;) ) so I love she did that, when other singers don't do that.

'Reluctant Daughter' is more bluegrass that country but still very good, Ricky Skaggs arranged instruments for it :). I love WW, and i do agree IMDE is not country, its more AC but good lyrics and lol yea TOFTG is pure pop but good message to girls. I think "When You Love Me" has a country sound and could be more country if the electric was lost but I love it anyways. I think "So Magical" is contemporary country. It's a good cd...if you go yrs at Wal-mart (which i doubt you did b/c its a US thing)..you could get the bonus track "Show Me" which is a pure pop-rock song but it's really good, reminds me of U2 :).Shania is the best, and I hope maybe someday she could record an excellent traditional country CD to shut Up! Nashville. She's more interested in music than anything, and I don't understand why people in Nashville feels they need to classify all the music, I don't really care.

This is my review about her songs on Martina's CD:
- So Magical: I don't like it much, it could include fiddles, but not really country.
- She's A Butterfly: Great song and great lyrics, maybe one of my fave songs, maybe is country.
- City Of Love: Good song, but is not country, I consider this pop or rock, but is not country.
- This One's For The Girls: A funny song, good message, but this is not country.
- How Far: This is not country, even though is a good song. Listening to this song reminds me much about Celine Dion' music style.
- Reluctant Daughter: I consider it country, maybe bluegrass, but at least it has great fiddles, I like this song.
- Wearing White: A good song, maybe is more country than the rest of the CD.
- When You Love Me: This is not country, maybe pop country, and is a good song.
- In My Daughter's Eyes: Not country at all, if this is country JLo is a good singer.
- Learning To Fall: Great song, maybe rock country, but one of my fave songs on this CD.
- God's Will: Great song, the best song on this CD, but I don't think this is country music, more an AC ballad, with great lyrics.
- Over The Rainbow: Famous song, but of course this is not really performed as country.

Does anyone have a doubt about Martina doing crossover??

BTW, I consider is unfair she did that, I haven't heard that song called "Show Me", and I don't think about going to USA to get it. Shania is more fair.

Now you can see I did a good and fair review, maybe you thought I was going to bash her. Also, if there's another fan of Martina, and he/she is reading this, this is what I think, and if you think different, that's your problem, Thanks :D

[RKSTFan]

About using a handsaw I hope you understand what I mean. I don't suspect about her, but since I just see her during those awards or related country things, I don't know about her much, maybe you know. I do think she doesn't deserve them, because if her music is as Shania, then they both shouldn't receive any award, and then they should give those awards to Patty Loveless or Alison Krauss, or any other traditional country singer. I'm just asking for a fair deal, not even asking for giving those awards to Shania. I'd like to see if they could divide Best Female Category on ACM and CMA in Best New Country Female and Best Traditional Country Female. I'm sure Martina would deny she's New country since she says she's not crossing over while she's really doing it.

BTW, I prefer her early stuff.

Exactly!

Martina has turned into a hypocrite. Crossing over with REMIXES and then saying that she doesn't and wouldn't trade country for "15 minutes of pop fame." Give me a break.

Her songs are just as "pop," or even MORE pop, than Shania's songs. "Up!" is "too pop" for country award shows but the "Martina" album is not?

Then she goes up on stage and accepts country industry trophies, while crossing over with remixes, and kisses up to the country industry. :mad:

Martina definitely NOT the same woman she was when it was Faith's turn in the spotlight. :scowl:

[RKSTFan]

I love Martina too, but I've heard the argument that she does not mention Shania when she is interviewed...she does not have to at all, that shouldn't be held against her. Martina is classy too.

I realize you are a fan, but I think you are downgrading Martina's behavior and comments to defend her.

"she does not mention Shania when she is interviewed...she does not have to at all, that shouldn't be held against her"?

That is not the case. I, and others, don't have a problem with Martina just because she won't go in the press and say "Shania is a GODDESS."

I, personally, have a problem with her because of comments like this about award shows:

But McBride, the most pop-oriented artist in the female vocalist category, said the strength of industry-voted awards like the CMAs is that they recognize diversity within the genre and are not based on sales. Like motion pictures' Oscars, country music's CMAs don't always go to the big-budget blockbusters.

"It shouldn't be a popularity contest," McBride said. "I think it's great that these classic artists are still being recognized for their art."



Who do you think she was aiming for with that comment about SALES in relation to country awards? Shania had the Highest Selling Country Album of 2002 and did not even get 1 nomination.

Martina, and the award show voters, apparently didn't read the written criteria for Female Vocalist, Entertainer of the Year and other categories. If Martina had read the criteria, she would know that SALES are one of the first things mentioned in the criteria list for each category at both the ACM and CMA awards.

Martina says that award shows "shouldn't be a popularity contest," but they ARE and she knows it.

Why do you think she is careful to not defend the crossover crowd while she is crossing over herself? Why does she always make certain she Praises the country industry, and it's direction, at every award show?


If award shows weren't, and the industry itself wasn't, big popularity contests we would not see comments from her like THIS one while her REMIX is sitting in the top 5 on the AC charts:

Martina nixes pop

While some country artists attempt pop crossovers, Martina McBride isn't interested. "I love country music and I love being a country artist," she reaffirms. "I don't want to be anything else. I never feel restricted by the genre of country music. I feel like I'm getting to sing exactly what I want to sing and make the kind of music I want to make. I love the lifestyle and I love the fans. I love being a country music artist and I wouldn't trade it for 15 minutes of pop fame for anything."



It's not about Martina "not mentioning" Shania in the press. It's about her open defense of the industry which comes off looking pretty hypocritical given her crossing over and kissing up to the industry while saying "it shouldn't be a popularity contest."

All of the industry, and especially the award shows, are popularity contests. Do you, or anyone else here, honestly believe that Martina doesn't know that?



Edit I don't mind if you or anyone is a diehard fan of Martina. I just don't think my feelings, and the feelings of other people around here, should be trivialized by saying it's 'just because Martina didn't mention Shania in the press.'

That is not the case and that is what I was trying make clear in this post. Looking back at my post, I may have been too abrasive but that was the point I was trying to make. I apologize if I came off sounding too harsh.

[Marisol]

Great! LOL I got happy all of a sudden! :D Thanks Reba for supporting and defending Shania! :)

[Kristian]

Exactly!

Martina has turned into a hypocrite. Crossing over with REMIXES and then saying that she doesn't and wouldn't trade country for "15 minutes of pop fame." Give me a break.

Her songs are just as "pop," or even MORE pop, than Shania's songs. "Up!" is "too pop" for country award shows but the "Martina" album is not?

Then she goes up on stage and accepts country industry trophies, while crossing over with remixes, and kisses up to the country industry. :mad:

Martina definitely NOT the same woman she was when it was Faith's turn in the spotlight. :scowl:
I don't know if she has turned, maybe she was before getting there. She's been doing crossing over since a long time ago, I could even say since she recorded "Valentine" with Jim Brickman, but what she did now with "Martina" is incredible, an album which is not country at all. I guess she has had to give much in return to get there, where she is now.

[Kristian]

I realize you are a fan, but I think you are downgrading Martina's behavior and comments to defend her.

"she does not mention Shania when she is interviewed...she does not have to at all, that shouldn't be held against her"?

That is not the case. I, and others, don't have a problem with Martina just because she won't go in the press and say "Shania is a GODDESS."

I, personally, have a problem with her because of comments like this about award shows:

But McBride, the most pop-oriented artist in the female vocalist category, said the strength of industry-voted awards like the CMAs is that they recognize diversity within the genre and are not based on sales. Like motion pictures' Oscars, country music's CMAs don't always go to the big-budget blockbusters.

"It shouldn't be a popularity contest," McBride said. "I think it's great that these classic artists are still being recognized for their art."

Who do you think she was aiming for with that comment about SALES in relation to country awards? Shania had the Highest Selling Country Album of 2002 and did not even get 1 nomination.

Martina, and the award show voters, apparently didn't read the written criteria for Female Vocalist, Entertainer of the Year and other categories. If Martina had read the criteria, she would know that SALES are one of the first things mentioned in the criteria list for each category at both the ACM and CMA awards.

Martina says that award shows "shouldn't be a popularity contest," but they ARE and she knows it.

Why do you think she is careful to not defend the crossover crowd while she is crossing over herself? Why does she always make certain she Praises the country industry, and it's direction, at every award show?


If award shows weren't, and the industry itself wasn't, big popularity contests we would not see comments from her like THIS one while her REMIX is sitting in the top 5 on the AC charts:

Martina nixes pop

While some country artists attempt pop crossovers, Martina McBride isn't interested. "I love country music and I love being a country artist," she reaffirms. "I don't want to be anything else. I never feel restricted by the genre of country music. I feel like I'm getting to sing exactly what I want to sing and make the kind of music I want to make. I love the lifestyle and I love the fans. I love being a country music artist and I wouldn't trade it for 15 minutes of pop fame for anything."

It's not about Martina "not mentioning" Shania in the press. It's about her open defense of the industry which comes off looking pretty hypocritical given her crossing over and kissing up to the industry while saying "it shouldn't be a popularity contest."

All of the industry, and especially the award shows, are popularity contests. Do you, or anyone else here, honestly believe that Martina doesn't know that?

I still consider another award called "Best Hypocrite Female Singer". I'm sure she'd be glad to receive it, after all that's another award for her, and she's only interested in winning award, and of course this award wouldn't be based on sales. Those are her criteria for awards.

I've never heard Shania saying something mean as Martina does, once when Shania was interviewed about awards she said she was not interested, and she said when she wins, maybe someone else could have won, 'cause maybe she didn't deserve it. That's a real class lady, not the mean Martina. Everytime Martina wins an award she feels she must explain why she won, and always with the same crappy argument about these awards not based on sales :mad:

[Kristian]

BTW, I'm still waiting to see Martina's lyrics, but of course that's not important in Country music.

[cftennisnative3]

interesting... you may have changed my mind.

[Just-a-Fan]

I really enjoyed reading that Reba defends Shania as she does, and that they both get along as friends. It certainly gives me a greater appreciation for Reba, particularly since it shows character to stand out for what is true when it goes contrary to what many others say.

I also appreciate, RKSTFan, your run-down of who are the back-stabbers. These are either very lacking in understanding of what sort of person Shania is, or they are very small and pitiable people. Either way they seem to be worthy of our contempt. There's no reason or excuse for running another artist down.

[ROTHCOU]

REBA M. is truly a wonderful lady. For supporting Shania, we must be thankful.With regards to A.MOORER , she's the one behind "SOFT PLACE TO FALL"(one of the track in the horse whisperer). I thinked she's good. But SHANIA is the best.

[SHANIANUTS!]

..that is because she is a powerful woman who made it her own way without the Nashville machine responsible for her success....it scares them to death that they were largely useless in her success story and rise to mega stardom......what happens to them if some other women do things similarly? They will be proven to be has-beens who are clueless about how to make the kind of music tens of millions of fans world wide crave....

[Kristian]

REBA M. is truly a wonderful lady. For supporting Shania, we must be thankful.With regards to A.MOORER , she's the one behind "SOFT PLACE TO FALL"(one of the track in the horse whisperer). I thinked she's good. But SHANIA is the best.
Yes, Allison Moorer is a great singer, very underrated, but more talented than others, and Patty Loveless is another great singer, but I agree about Shania being the best ;) You should try Allison's 2 first CDs, really great CDs.

[Shania's4life!!]

Shania once said something along the lines of,
"I dont take awards all that seriously because the people who truly deserve to win...usually dont win so..."

I have to agree with this statement 100% because most award shows ARE exactly that, shows!
most of them are no longer dedicated to praising the artists who have worked their *** off to be successful, they are there to simply decide who gets pushed into the spotlight and who doesnt!

If award shows were genuinly based on achievment and success then Shania would be winning almost every award she is nominated for...yet seeing how the woman with the most successful country album didnt even get nominated for "best country album" just shows how much credability awards have lost these days, the shows are run by 100% pure grade hypocrites! :rolleyes:

[Kristian]

..that is because she is a powerful woman who made it her own way without the Nashville machine responsible for her success....it scares them to death that they were largely useless in her success story and rise to mega stardom......what happens to them if some other women do things similarly? They will be proven to be has-beens who are clueless about how to make the kind of music tens of millions of fans world wide crave....
I agree completely with you :D

[Kristian]

Shania once said something along the lines of,
"I dont take awards all that seriously because the people who truly deserve to win...usually dont win so..."

I have to agree with this statement 100% because most award shows ARE exactly that, shows!
most of them are no longer dedicated to praising the artists who have worked their *** off to be successful, they are there to simply decide who gets pushed into the spotlight and who doesnt!

If award shows were genuinly based on achievment and success then Shania would be winning almost every award she is nominated for...yet seeing how the woman with the most successful country album didnt even get nominated for "best country album" just shows how much credability awards have lost these days, the shows are run by 100% pure grade hypocrites! :rolleyes:
This shows how classy and smart is Shania, not as other hypocrites I know in Country Music.

[ROTHCOU]

Yes, Allison Moorer is a great singer, very underrated, but more talented than others, and Patty Loveless is another great singer, but I agree about Shania being the best ;) You should try Allison's 2 first CDs, really great CDs.
Actually,I got 2 CD's of her.The Hardest Part & Miss Fortune.Both are good.

[Kristian]

Actually,I got 2 CD's of her.The Hardest Part & Miss Fortune.Both are good.
That's great, but Alabama Song CD IMO is her best CD, that's her first CD. You should try it, really great CD, and it includes "A Soft Place To Fall"

[ROTHCOU]

That's great, but Alabama Song CD IMO is her best CD, that's her first CD. You should try it, really great CD, and it includes "A Soft Place To Fall"
Thanks for the info.

[Kristian]

Thanks for the info.
You're welcome ;)

[SHANIANUTS!]

....ASPTF is one of my 10 favorite country songs of all time....

[Kristian]

....ASPTF is one of my 10 favorite country songs of all time....
I think I could agree with you :D

[ShaniaFan87]

Aww.. I love Reba.. very sweet comments on Shania. I always hated how some artist released CD's and only did like 3 singles.. I love how Shania keeps things new and releases more songs. :cool:

[Charly]

aww i think im loving Reba even more.. i love her show and now defending Shania...
I dont know why ppl still saying, she isnt country... SHE IS.. ALL HER ALBUMS ARE COUNTRY.. she plays commercial country

[SHANIANUTS!]

..Reba has always been country...

[Kristian]

Aww.. I love Reba.. very sweet comments on Shania. I always hated how some artist released CD's and only did like 3 singles.. I love how Shania keeps things new and releases more songs. :cool:
I agree with you, Shania's album are full of good music, not as other artists.

[dreamer]

rock on reba

[twaintrain]

Shania and Reba are the best. They are my Top 2 favorite singers of all time.:)

By the way, "Room To Breathe" is great.:D

[cftennisnative3]

wel..this is the only thread that pertained to the subject but this is bugging me...casm, you don't like Martina b/c you assume she is jealous or doesn't like Shania, but you don't bring up Alison Moore's comments. I recently read up on some of her quotes and they weren't nice at all either. She hates the new country stuff on the radio and calls it '**it', I'll have to look up more quotes of what she said, but I'm sure she herself wouldn't like Shania at all. I don't think that'd be nice to like her and not like Martina when Martina hasn't even said anything bad like that.

[Kristian]

wel..this is the only thread that pertained to the subject but this is bugging me...casm, you don't like Martina b/c you assume she is jealous or doesn't like Shania, but you don't bring up Alison Moore's comments. I recently read up on some of her quotes and they weren't nice at all either. She hates the new country stuff on the radio and calls it '**it', I'll have to look up more quotes of what she said, but I'm sure she herself wouldn't like Shania at all. I don't think that'd be nice to like her and not like Martina when Martina hasn't even said anything bad like that.
Thanks cftennisnative3. I already knew her opinion about it, and I think that's just her opinion. I understand your situation, and maybe I still think that about Martina, but I'm still listening her music, and that's the most important thing after all. Anyway I like Allison Moorer's music, but I don't know much about her, just her sad story when her parents died, and I don't care much about her personal life, not even for taking my time to read about her life. I do care for Shania, her music, her life, and all the stuff related with her, she's my favorite singer of all the times, and the rest of music, I just like the music, but I don't care much about the artists' life.