Farewell, Shania.net Forums! [Archive]

kamen

10-27-2000, 6:55am

Dear Matt,

Dear Moderators,

Dear Shania.net Forums' Members,

I just wanted to say that it's my LAST posting on these Forums. The reasons that made me take this decision are some but the main are:

1. As often as I come here I find tens of sensless topics which already have been discussed. It's because the new members don't know what their "old" buddies have posted before. And because some of the "old" and some of the new members just wanna post something, no matter is it interesting or not. Just to spend hours and hours of their days (and life) talkin' 'bout Shania.

2. 80-85% of all registered members don't post regularly and it proves that most of 'em are agree with me- it doesn't worth spending time for something so boring. I don't want to offense anybody but that's the truth.

3. This is the most important reason- I don't have neither the time, nor the will to come here every week. And that's why after a month and something without posting anything, when I finally found an interesting topic "The direction of the upcoming Shania's album" posted by Matt, I received a message that tells me that there's no such a member called "kamen"!?! And I had to make another registration just to post the reply on Matt's topic and to post this message!!! If someone over here expect that every month I have to post some topic just to feed my account, he or she is totally wrong. I can't afford this to check every week (or day) what's going on here and to reply or to post a topic. It's a wasted time. I don't mean that discussing on these Forums is a stupid thing but I can't afford so much time as some of you can. And most of all- these are the Shania Twain's Forums. And I'm bored talkin' 'bout every detail of this woman, discussing only-one human being days after days, weeks after weeks, months after months, years after years. I can't deny that Shania is a remarkable performer and person but I don't like talkin' all the time 'bout her. At least this is my conclusion after some months spent on these Forums.

I wanna thank to all the pals for that wonderful night at the Shania.net Chat Room- "razorbac", "Challenger", "Dantee" and some others which user names I can't remember now. It was the only night I spent at the Shania.net Chat Room but I was having a real fun in these few hours. Thank you!

And thanks to these Forums I found new friends such as RJ and Londo.

So, it's my "good bye" or "farewell" to Shania.net Forums. From this moment on I'm gonna come to this site only to check "Pic of the week" and maybe the news ('cause I get the latest news by Shania.org) and it will be once per week- enough for such a thing.

I wanna wish you best of luck and please, accept my excuses if I've offended anybody. I didn't mean.

Kamen Koev

iloveshania

10-27-2000, 10:19am

I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way, but I must say honestly that I am a bit offended.
I am not sure how your lack of time is the responsibility of anyone on this forum. And to blame the new members for the repetition is entirely unfair and unwelcoming; you were new once to. Yes, much of what we say is idle chat, but that is because we are all passing the time together as we patiently await Shania's return. It is difficult to discuss something new when there is nothing new. This does not mean that we should not enjoy ourselves with people we like. Yes many of us spend alot of time here because we have health problems that keep us housebound or because we have found some of the best friends we have ever known here. This does not make your choice to leave anyone's responsibility but yours. Sorry to see you go, but don't blame us!

iloveshania

Winemaker

10-27-2000, 10:36am

I am offended!!

Being a fairly new member, I take that personaly.

So you're bored with us. It happens, new people, new personalities, new styles. So it's different. That's life. Change is one of the good things about life. We seem to be having fun.

As for expressing your feelings on this one, I don't think it was necessary. You could have left with less thunder. It's one thing to be honest, and another to say every little stupid thing that's on your mind. They've made movies about that.

We do live in a very imperfect world. Everybody knows that.
We don't need to be told about your every little dislikes. THere are so many people outhere, you can't please everybody, or expect everybody to please you.

SO maybe you and razorbac, dantee and challenger, can keep in contact, and carry on with whatever it was you had. You should, it sounds like it was special. Here we have something good going also.

You'll always be welcome back here of course, but please, don't come in here and trash us.

Wild One

10-27-2000, 10:52am

Good-bye, farewell, audios, see ya. Well, you just lost a friend in me. I know I won't miss ya!

Way to say it, Wine!

benperkins

10-27-2000, 11:08am

Now I bet some of that about "Just to spend hours and hours of their days (and life) talkin' 'bout Shania." is aimed at me. Ok I do because I feel at home here and have made some great friends http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif. But Shania is my life at the momment and all I can do is talk about her and this place is perfect for me.

Scoundy you find us baoring? Well we are having fun, if you don't find our little games funny thats up to you, but don't throw out a satistic saying that the majority don't like it.

as for your time. Its up to you what you do with it. I choose to spend about a couple hours a day on here, posting messeges to the ONLY online group that has welcomed me to the group. I've been ran out of others because of the big Fans who willn't listen to anyone else. Here we are all on the same level.

And taking out on Shania.net in geanarl is not the answer. This is the only Shania site that I visit every day and I like it for more than just the forum. I visit others and I like them but this is the best.

I had problems with my cookies so my password wasn't being saved. Did I give up? No. They work now and I suffered a few days of having to type in my password.

Its sad to see someone go, but I agree with thes others. Its not Our Flaut.

Wild One

10-27-2000, 11:17am

Ben, don't listen to kamen. He thinks he's too good for us.

benperkins

10-27-2000, 11:21am

Sorry but I had to say it. People like that make me angry.

Wild One

10-27-2000, 11:26am

Originally posted by benperkins:
Sorry but I had to say it. People like that make me angry.

That's alright. There's no need to apologize. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 12:00pm

Look, I'd have to say this: Kamen has done nothing wrong, she feels the same way as almost 200 of the registered members. This forum is a waste of time for some, they feel that they are not welcome and that they are being ignored by the forum community.

Look at this from his side, he has already taken the time to give us reasons, he obviously misses the company but can't afford to spend time here.
I can't imagine how all you lot can afford so much time to read and write so much, especially you Londo.

Wild One

10-27-2000, 12:06pm

We make the time to come here. Look at me, I'm at a racetrack in OK and I'm on the computer in my truck. I'm here so I don't know why kamen can't be but how he spends his time is up to him.

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 12:17pm

Not too many are that dedicated, as proven by the amount of posts each member has posted. Some post hundreds from the beginning of the year, some only 5-20.
Some of us have better things to do than to write useless posts (useless in their opinion) to people they are never goin to meet.

Some of us do not consider nor do we acknowledge the different circumstances of each individual forum member.
I do not know much about Kamen, I can not say much about him. All I can tell you Kamen is don't lose faith in Shania, what is important is Shania herself and her music. I do not condemn you to spend forever on this page but nor do I want you to become isolated from Shania fans. The decision can only be made by you. Bye Kamen.

benperkins

10-27-2000, 12:23pm

Originally posted by Kev ST:
This forum is a waste of time for some, they feel that they are not welcome and that they are being ignored by the forum community.

Ermmmm without sounding rude, did you read what I wrote? There isn't a group on here that seems to control the place and everyone has a chance to speak unlike other places I've been to.

But dose anyone think different?Do you feel there is a devide between the regualers and the casual poster?

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 12:39pm

Originally posted by benperkins:
we are having fun, if you don't find our little games funny thats up to you, but don't throw out a satistic saying that the majority don't like it.

So far, only 3-4 people have had fun with this. 3 or 4 people aren't the majority of this forum.

Wild One, saying that you won't miss him is just being insensitive. We haven't had a lot of posts from him so most likely you won't miss him, but would you take a moment to think how he feels. You probably have considered this, I don't know.

What Kamen says is true, Originally posten by KamenI don't mean that discussing on these Forums is a stupid thing but I can't afford so much time as some of you can. And most of all- these are the Shania Twain's Forums. And I'm bored talkin' 'bout every detail of this woman, discussing only-one human being days after days, weeks after weeks, months after months, years after years. I can't deny that Shania is a remarkable performer and person but I don't like talkin' all the time 'bout her.

If you think about how many people do post here often, it is often nothing compared to the ones who don't. I have been contacted repeatedly by tens of forum readers, they have a very keen interest in Shania and love her music, but time and money is also a consideration that must be taken into account.
A reason why some people do not know how she feels is because they have never had this experience. Shania can relate to a lot of people, friends, family, the ones she knows she can talk to privately and confidently. Some forum readers may not feel this confidence. This is why they need welcomes, to be successfully entered into this unique community.

Winemaker

10-27-2000, 12:46pm

You're right Ben, there are no divides.

That's what I love about this place. Like I said in previous post, "...it's great that we can say whatever we want, as long as nobody gets hurt..."

As for being boring, or writing useless posts, I can only say to Kamen and Kev; if you have better posts or more interesting subjects, why not do something about it? instead of....nagging!!

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 12:48pm

Y'know, you're making me feel like I should be following Kamen's steps.

TonyB

10-27-2000, 12:55pm

I'm been here a short time myself and from what i read in some other threads there are alot of new members registering lately, so of coarse there's going to be some repetition.
Some people do seem to spend alot of time here (i wish i had as much free time... http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif ), but they're the ones i get the most laughs from, and it wouldn't be the same without them.
As far as most members not posting, it doesn't mean they're not intrested, i've read lots of threads and not posted a reply, but still enjoyed reading them.
And this is a Shania forum, what else do u expect us to talk about?
Bye bye, don't let the door hit u're back side!

Winemaker

10-27-2000, 1:00pm

Originally posted by Kev ST:
So far, only 3-4 people have had fun with this. 3 or 4 people aren't the majority of this forum.

So...?
You admit it, 3 or 4 are having fun with. Where's the problem?

We have to check with you first?
We have to hold a survey first, to see if our jokes are accepted by the majority?
What stops you and Kamen from posting those great interesting topics or whatever, that you have?
You got funnier stuff? Let's hear it!
You got more interesting stuff let's hear it!

So what do you want from us?
Sit back and wait for you and Kamen?
Wait for you to choose the right topics?

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 1:02pm

What I'm trying to get across to everyone is Kamens' pain and what she is feeling at this moment.

TonyB

10-27-2000, 1:07pm

What pain? If she's not happy, let her leave. But don't trash other people.

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 1:13pm

Look, we have to face the facts. People seem selfish when they post letters addressing only to themself.
I personally do not consider this forum boring but may feel a little left out. Most of you are going to say that's my fault, and I agree with you, it is.

I have no idea how the subject could change so much in so few posts. Actually I do know, but that was an expression.

I have noticed a change of positive attitudes of Shania through the past few months. The number of relevant posts are slowly declining. It's only Sam, Steph, Ben, and some others (sorry if I left anyone out, I can't be forgiven for that, can I?) that are regularly posting. As for regular and casual, what do you mean by that? People post as often as they can, giving input to what they can.

Andrew

10-27-2000, 1:14pm

I don't want to sound rude, but it's not our fault she is leaving! It's her problem and not ours, I do not think she/ of he is feeling pain right now! Kamen is the one that upset us. If Kamen or anyone else thinks the topics are boring, make up a new topic, or leave. Sorry, but you shouldn't blame us.

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 1:16pm

The decision is not up to her whether she is happy posting. She may have every intention in the world of posting, but depletion of resources such as time hold her back.

benperkins

10-27-2000, 1:16pm

Ok seeing as I'm part of the problem I'll go and not post again. Its been nice knowing you all.

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 1:20pm

In her letter, all she has stated are facts. I don't want to believe them, but they are true. Everything she has said.

If it's alright with everyone, how about if we just leave it there with perhaps one or two more posts to finish this topic off. She is obviously unintentionally causing disruption to this forum. But it is not her fault, it is us (including me for joining in).

Heather

10-27-2000, 1:22pm

Sorry you feel that way Kamen. Actually the last month I have spent on this forum is the most fun I have had on the forum in months. I have also made some wonderful online friendships with great people who share my interests. If you didn't like the tone of the conversation on the forums, you could have felt free to turn it around by posting what you termed to be worthy of discussion. It's silly to assume that just because people don't post that it's the fault of the members who do post. I am a member of several online forums where I simply read over topics and don't respond. It's not because I find the topics or the members insipid. They are not on the board to enetertain me. If I want to start what I deem "intelligent" conversation, then it's up to me. Simple as that. Don't blame others for the tone here if you haven't chosen to participate.

The new members here have injected some much needed fun into this board. I for one am enjoying all the fun and silliness that we share. I wouldn't have it anyother way http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif I'm certain that many others agree with me.

So good bye Kamen and good luck!

Kev ST

10-27-2000, 1:25pm

Yes. I, for one, agree with what Heather has said.

TonyB

10-27-2000, 1:27pm

I don't think that most of what KAMEN said is true.

Ben, u... not posting? http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif LMAO....

[This message has been edited by TonyB (edited October 27, 2000).]

Andrew

10-27-2000, 1:32pm

I agree with Heather, it is not our fault so just stop thinking about yourself. Not everthing Kamen has said is true. It is not up to us to post a good topic. So, if you find it boring, feel free to post something else. Don't blame us for it. And Ben, it's not your fault either, just ignore Kamen.

[This message has been edited by Andrew (edited October 27, 2000).]

TonyB

10-27-2000, 1:36pm

Heather, i've been trying to get u're attention for a while, please go to the post "To Heather" dated Oct 23,2000

Winemaker

10-27-2000, 1:52pm

LOL...I agree with TonyB;

Ben, not posting... LMAO

Wild One

10-27-2000, 3:31pm

Up yours, Kev!!

loonecho

10-27-2000, 3:57pm

Well, sorry for this, but I think this subjest is one of the most boring subjects of this forum. I have a lot of fun here! And I don't care if some people don't like it. In case of trying to get attention with saying they don't like it, they could try to change some things. If they can't, and don't like it anymore, ok, please LEAVE!!!!

Londo

10-27-2000, 4:20pm

It took me an hour to read this topic. I must say I’m a little shocked, because I never expected such reactions. It’s so ironic when you tell someone that things are being on the right track, you suddenly find a dead end. If this is going to be a long post, I don’t know, I don’t have a clue what I’m gonna write next.

First of all, Kamen is not a she, is a HE. He’s from Bulgaria and he is basically in the same material position as I am. The only difference is that he has to go to an Internet Club to send his mail, post on the forums, etc., while I have internet at home. So I have this advantage that he doesn’t have. Kev, if you would look at my postings, you would notice that 95% of them are in a margin of 6-8 hours, mainly during nighttime where I live. I post then because I don’t have the money to stay online during daytime. When I connect to the net, I download the pages that I’m interested in and I go offline, then I read them and if there is some topic on the forums that I want to reply to I write my replies, then I go back online and post them. If I have something bigger to download then I occasionally go into the chat. So I’m not spending hours online, I cannot afford it.

I have written my views on the reasons why people don’t post on the forums, so I’m not gonna repeat them, it would be an unnecessary load on this post. For those interested, they are on the topic called “600”. I would stop on the issue of person-to-person posting that has been mentioned here today. Kev, I don’t think there is anything wrong with building a relationship over the forum. I had a friend a couple of years back that used to tell to us about how he’s talking to various people on the net, and I remember telling him exactly that: ”why do you bother talking to people that you know you won’t meet?”. I must say I’ve changed my view on this. It all depends on the person’s character and what that person expects from a relationship. The advantage on the net is that the judgement thing is limited, nobody really knows you, so you can build a relationship the way you want to. And gradually you allow them to know you better, you have full control over the situation. And the person-to-person posting helps build such a relationship. The atmosphere would be much colder if those posts wouldn’t exist and people would limit themselves to general remarks about this and that.
I can tell all of you I remember talking to Kamen and RJ by mail about the fact that the subjects on the forum will soon be saturated if they would limit to Shania, her music, what she wears, etc. Deviating from the topic is something I don’t blame, sometimes I even embrace and contribute to. So that’s what keeps the forums alive, in my opinion.
I agree with Winemaker, even if he put it a little rough, about starting a new topic if someone feels like certain things are not being discussed. I always want to know people’s opinions and find them interesting, including yours Kev, even if I don’t feel the necessity to post in acknowledgement. So I won’t be the one to give some cold shoulder to newcomers just because I don’t know them. And I don’t believe there is anyone here that would have such a reaction by default.
As for talking to people, I can talk to what I see, and not to what I don’t see. I can’t be asked to presume what this guy or that guy thinks if he doesn’t show it. I see a post that is interesting and I reply to the idea and the person who posted it. There are many people that I have replied to directly through person-to-person posting, so I can’t be accused of making discriminations on this matter. But it’s also not my fault that there is only a core of people that post.

Kamen,
I really don’t like what this topic has turned into. There is animosity between members that shouldn’t have been. I’m in a delicate position right now because people I care about are on opposite sides here. I must say I agree with some of the things you said, since we’ve talked about it through mail. Although I somehow disagree with choosing this method to express your feelings. I know them and I understand them. But for me, I don’t see the point of leaving this place. There are interesting things happening, not all of them require your attention. You could still visit and not post, there’s no harm in that. If I were in your position, I would probably not post anything at all, because it’s hard to build any type of relationship by posting once a week from an Internet Club. I’m not offended by what you wrote, but I know some people that are and they expressed themselves. They’re very nice people, it would be a shame if everything would be spoiled. (As for those nice people that I’m talking about, please be as nice as I said you are and hold your horses on calling names and stuff. Do it for my sake.)
Kamen, I hope I’ll see you again on the forums, and all forget this incident if possible. If not, I’ll still visit you from time to time, for the sake of the Bulgarian flag, if not for anything else. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif Take care.

Winemaker

10-27-2000, 4:33pm

Londo, you are so wise, and well spoken (or should I say well written?).

Heather

10-27-2000, 8:53pm

Originally posted by TonyB:
Heather, i've been trying to get u're attention for a while, please go to the post "To Heather" dated Oct 23,2000

Hey Tony http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif I don't remember where that video file is located. The person who posted the link to it was May, I think. You might want to hunt for the topic (I don't recall the name of it). Or try posting an inquiry about it again. I wish I could help you out.

iloveshania

10-27-2000, 10:42pm

Ben:

Don't you dare leave, we need you!

Kev:

I realize that being here for a long time can become repetitious, but that is not the fault of us new people. There is only so much subject matter to discuss and I think it is fantastic the way the people here have found creative ways of enjoying the continued use of this forum. I understand that it is difficult for some people to post regularly, but it is not fair to expect others not to get close and post multiple times. And the reasons why some of us can post often are as varied as the people themselves, and is nobodies business but our own. But for arguments sake I will share this; I suffer from a variety of health problems which prevent me from going out and interacting with people on a regular basis, in addition to this I am trying to raise two children on my own. Until I found this forum I had little to no interaction with others; so I'm sure you can see how this forum has been a godsend to me. I don't resent Kamen's decision to leave the forum; what I resent is his way of doing so, and his implication that somehow it was the fault of us new people. This is the first time that I haven't felt welcome here and I did nothing to deserve this. Then there's Ben; one of the sweetest people I know, how does he deserve to feel the way he's feeling? Kamen has a right to his feelings, and I understand some of his reasons, but his choice to post what he did was incredibly childish and has created more hurt feelings than anyone here ever has. I hope that we can put this behind us and move on. I don't want to see anyone (not you and not Ben) leave over this. For all we know Kamen may have been having a bad day and chosen his words and actions poorly. Let's not let this tear us apart. You people are my world, without you I will be trapped inside these walls alone again. Peace Please!

iloveshania

Slope

10-28-2000, 12:23am

Well I hope you have a good life there in Bulgara, Kamen. We thankyou for your fifty three posts prior to this one. We welcome you back anytime as some one who isn't having a bad hair day.

I think the people here are great. I have made lots of friends here. We all have something in common. A passion for Shania and her music. And we care about one another like good friends do.

So you don't want friends. Okay, but I truely feel sorry for you. Your life will not be rewarding if you throw away friends like us.

armando

10-28-2000, 12:47am

wtf?! lol oh my gosh. no comment. :P

Kev ST

10-28-2000, 1:06am

I'm beginning to think that many people know what Kamen is feeling at the moment. I was shocked by the insensitivity displayed on this topic.

As for this: Originally posted by Wild One
Up yours, Kev!!
That is just being rude and offensive, now isn't it? As a matter of fact, I take great offense to that.

Say what you want, think what you want. Someone's view is a view to be considered, not a view to fight against.

Y'know, I really do feel that these forums are a waste of time, but I'm still here, aren't I?

[This message has been edited by Kev ST (edited October 27, 2000).]

frank

10-28-2000, 1:51am

I know for sure that if you think that this forum is a waste of time,you wouldn't be here anymore".You said"i really do feel that these forums are a waste of time.But i'm still here.That doesn't make any sence.Why are you in a place where you don't want to be.No one is holding a gun to your head,is there?Everyone has their own meaning.So if you think that this forum is boring,you will have the choice to stay,or to leave.If you leave,i think you also can leave by saying goodby and have a lot of fun.But you don't have to leave like Kamen.She puts the new members down,she puts al of our topics down,she pretty much puts everything down.That is not the best way to leave the people that you talked with for weeks,month's,maybe years.Kamen,i'm sorry if you are leaving.It's your choice,and i will respect that choice.Goobye,and good luck.

Frank.

Kev ST

10-28-2000, 2:09am

Could you compare a forum to watching TV?
Most people know that watching TV is bad for the eyes and a complete waste of time, unless it's something educational. But they still watch it.
There's a feeling of not being alone anymore. A way to communicate to the outside world without disrupting what is already out there. Maybe they're just shy.

Justin

10-28-2000, 4:31am

This forum was created so fans could come together and talk about Shania in a fun atmosphere of mutual interests. Now I know that we have quite a few members now and many postings are brought up several times over but we always seem to have quite good discussions whether they be serious or just for fun. I am sorry to see you go Kamen and I understand your lack of tim but please come by sometime and say hello. It has been nice having you here on the forums.

Justin

benperkins

10-28-2000, 7:53am

Oh heck I'll stay. iloveshania, I will never dare leave as long as I shall live http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

But I felt I should take the blame for all this, I still do. But I can take the blame and stay cant I?

[This message has been edited by benperkins (edited October 28, 2000).]

iloveshania

10-28-2000, 8:13am

Ben:

You are not selfish. You are a wonderful, loving person. So what if you post every day, so do I. If you talk to friends every day outside of the forums nobody would call you selfish. Why should it be any different here? We all love you and enjoy your company, and I for one care very much about how you are feeling. Pleeeeeeeeease don't go!!!!!!!!!

iloveshania

benperkins

10-28-2000, 8:17am

iloveshania: I changed my mind while you where writing that. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

iloveshania

10-29-2000, 1:13pm

Ben:

I'm soooooooooooo HAPPY!!!!!!!!! http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

samantha t

10-29-2000, 1:17pm

well i've read everything in here and all i gotta say is good writtens! (dunno how to spell it. I heard it at school hehe)

Guitarist

10-30-2000, 2:42am

he he he that was cute

Good Riddance http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

Wild One

10-30-2000, 5:21pm

Originally posted by Kev ST:

As for this: Originally posted by Wild One
Up yours, Kev!!
That is just being rude and offensive, now isn't it? As a matter of fact, I take great offense to that.

[This message has been edited by Kev ST (edited October 27, 2000).]

Oh, boo-hoo... http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/frown.gif I feel real sorry for you. (sarcastic)

KEV

10-31-2000, 1:37am

Hmmm....Shania.net Forums...Shania.net Forums...yeah I have it right! Maybe everyone is continually talking Shania because this is the Shania.net Forums. And Shania is the absolutely most gorgeous talented incredible singer/songwriter around!

Now howse' about that Cristina Agu...something!

We love you Shania..and we miss you too!!!!!!!!!

Super Shania Fan,
KEV

SexyThang

10-31-2000, 2:40am

c'mon do ya'll really care that much? who the hell cares?!!!, really i'm sorry ya'll have nothing more interesting to do but to get on each other's tails for something as little as to losing one unhappy member. Really, all you have to say is buh bye and move on. I enjoy shania very much, hell i'm even on her video with klubgoddess, but i'm not all sappy, boo hoo we lost someone and blah blah blah...i'm sorry that certain person felt that way but oh well...life goes on, and i suggest that you guys take that path and move on too.

kamen

11-02-2000, 1:15am

Well, it seems I must react somehow on your attacks 'cause I'm not a coward and I'm sure in what I'm saying. Before to begin, I beg for your excuses that I had to posted this but I have my human dignity which worths defending!

Dear "iloveshania",
I don't blame you for the reason I leave these Forums. As I explained earlier the reasons are too much complicated but, yes, some members made me hate these Forums. Not you, nor even those 600-610 members who have come here and posted just once-twice (and never anymore since then), but some particular people. I think you could find who they are.

Dear "Winemaker",
I really respect you. I've read some of your postings and I can say for sure that you, Slope and Londo are some of the smartest members of these Forums. I'm sorry if I've offended you somehow with my statement 'bout the current situation of the Shania.net Forums. I didn't mean to trash you! So, don't take it so seriously! As for "the better posts"- I have some ideas but I'll save 'em for some other Forum where most of the members are active. Here, as ShaniaTwainFreak says: "I post often but no one ever reads what i post i guess and if they do, they never reply. I guess i am just not special enough for all of you." 101% agree with her!

Dear "Wild One",
Stop manipulating the members of these Forums!!! If you think that I'm your enemy (if you remember why- you didn't want to send me a pic of yours; after that you've forwarded some e-mail to me?!?) it doesn't mean that I hate ALL the members of Shania.net Forums. Most of 'em I don't know and I'll never know 'cause according to my survey only 'bout 10% of all registered members do the effort to come here, to read and to post sometimes. If you think that it's a lie, then better read again the posting of Andrew, called "Forum Members Who Have Never Posted, or Don't Post Very Often", dated October 27, 2000. The reality is more important than the feelings! Believe it!

Dear "benperkins",
I'm sorry to say this but although you're from England you can't write very well in English. It's true! As for that I made you angry- well, imagine that there are more than 6 000 000 000 people on this planet and everyone of 'em has his/hers/it's own opinion 'bout every subject of the life. I see that you're a Shania Twain's FANatic right now- I'm sure you'll get over it after some months or years, 'cause there are many more important things in our lifes than Shania Twain. She can entertain us, but she can't give us a job, a home, a car, a family, kids, more healthy bodies, pocket money,...She's a musician, yes- an unique musician, but musician!

Dear "Kev ST",
Thank you for your appreciation and understanding! It's nice to see that there are people over here who notice what I mean. If I had more free time I'd be glad to be your pen pal through e-mail, but I don't have this so-important resource. If you wanna you could visit my home page at http://kamenvk.homepage.com to find out more 'bout me, if you're interested. Thanks again!

Dear "TonyB", "Andrew", "frank",
You better visit my home page, too. I'm not, as Londo mentioned, a SHE. I'm a guy and it means I'm a HE! Please, notice it!

Dear "Heather", "loonecho", "Slope", "armando", "Justin", "samantha t", "Guitarist", "SexyThang",
Thank you for replying to this topic! Actually it was the most visited and with the most paid attention topic I've ever posted here. Thank you again!

Dear "Londo",
Thank you for your a-friend-attitude. I think that no one should read between the lines. You prove it. It seems that Romania has its best representative here. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif I hope to hear from you soon!

To all the rest members who only read, but not post- I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Because more than 600 others have gone not like me (noisy) but very, very quietly...

Kamen Koev

ib4shania

11-02-2000, 4:51am

I'm sorry to see you go Kamen and I think you raise important points. I too am bothered by the fact that only a handful of members post on the forum. The topics do become redundant and sometimes boring in content. Perhaps your comments will provoke the bulk of the members to come forward and add something to broaden the scope of the forum. And I hope you will reconsider your decision Kamen as I think you have good insights into what could make the forum more interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain your disatisfaction. You are not alone in your opinions.

samantha t

11-02-2000, 8:25am

Originally posted by Guitarist:
he he he that was cute

Good Riddance http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

thank you LOL

samantha t

11-02-2000, 8:26am

oh your verry welcome!!

Justin

11-02-2000, 11:19am

kamen drop by once and awhile and say hello. I guarantee we wont all forget you.

Justin

Wild One

11-02-2000, 11:50am

HEY!! KAMEN!!! YOU'VE REALLY PISSED ME OFF THIS TIME!!!! I DO NOT TRY TO MANIPULATE THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUMS!!! AND WHAT THE **** DOES THAT E-MAIL **** HAVE TO DO WITH THIS!? THE REASON I DIDN'T SEND YOU A PIC IS I DON'T HAVE A ****IN SCANNER AND I FOUND OUT YOU WERE A ****IN *****. I HAD MY SUSPENSIONS ABOUT YOU FROM THE START. I REALLY TRY TO STRAY FROM SENDING PICTURES OF LOVED ONES TO ABSOLUTE STRANGERS.

YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR ****IN PRECIOUS SERVEY? WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW I'LL BE GLAD TO TELL YOU! YOU CAN SHOVE IT UP YOUR *** ! I COULD GIVE A FLYIN **** WHAT THE SERVEY SAYS! THE MEMBERS THAT DON'T POST ARE MISSING OUT IN THE FUN. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S FUN IN HERE THEN THAT'S YOUR OWN ****IN FAULT, NOT OURS!!

NOW AS FOR BEN, WINEMAKER, AND ALL THE OTHERS YOU SO RUDELY PUT DOWN. THEY HAVE BECOME GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE AND I HOPE THEY THINK THE SAME OF ME. SO WHAT IF BEN DOESN'T WRITE GOOD IN ENGLISH! WE ALL KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING!! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN PERFECT ENGLISH. NO ONE ON HERE WRITES PERFECT ENGLISH. THAT DOESN'T MATTER. WE COMMUNICATE JUST FINE.

YES, BEN IS A SHANIA FANATIC. WHO ON HERE ISN'T EXCEPT YOU, OF COURSE. BUT WAIT A MINUTE. YOUR SITE HAS SHANIA ALL OVER IT AND YOU SAY THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAN SHANIA. THEN WHY IS SHE PLASTERED ALL OVER YOUR SITE. YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR FAMILY PLASTERED ALL OVER YOUR SITE INSTEAD OF SHANIA. YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE HERE AT ALL.

YES, WE KNOW THAT THERE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE.

I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY TO YOU. SHUT THE **** UP!!

Winemaker

11-02-2000, 12:42pm

LMAO!!

Wild One

11-02-2000, 12:56pm

(I'm bowing to the crowd) Thank you...thank you...thanks so much. You guys are great! http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif

Londo

11-02-2000, 4:22pm

Maybe I ate something bad this morning, but for some reason I’m not laughing, Wild One. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/frown.gif

benperkins

11-02-2000, 4:44pm

My Works not done, but I have to replay to this.

Okay, Mr Koev. I am Dyslexic, I cant spell. at one Time I couldn't even spell my own Name. It is a problem I've been trying to over come all my life that along with Autisum is a pain in the neck. And I am very tucthy over that.

Secondly put yourself in my place. 18 ,single, male, got a heredity mental condtion that happens to enhance obcessons. Its no fun. I get angry over the smallest things. I'm sorry but I found your first post offensive but this one is horrible.

As for me liking Shania so mucth. Yes I like her alot maybe more than I should. But I do have a life away from liking Shania. I'm at the momment leading that life. But yes Shania is important to me, but I don't have anything else. My Condition has distoryed all chances I had at one point. I cant get a job, I'm not even allowed to laern to drive, Pokect Moneys taken care of by my good Friends in London (ie. Goverment hand out). I have very little else, I have vey few relaonships the last really good friendship I had was 3 years ago. I've never had a girlfriend. What I have left? Nothing. Shania fills that void. Yes I'm a Fanaitc, thats because she is the most beataful woman I've seen, and Thats alot of women and shes made me feel I can make something of this mess my Dads flauty genes got me in. I LOVE HER.

This messege was not wrote in anger, but in a need to explane my sistuation.

See you all on Saturady.

samantha t

11-02-2000, 5:40pm

wild one you go!!!!
wooo!!!!

Guitarist

11-02-2000, 6:21pm

Hey Sam your welcome http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif. Wow, as soon as I read Kamen's post, I could just feel the tension in here building....and Wild One let it all out with one stroke of the keyboard!

Heather

11-02-2000, 6:38pm

I wasn't going to comment any further on this topic, but there were things said that I found very unnecessary.

Kamen, it was one thing to post that you weren't happy with the way things were here, but it was quite another to come back and stir the pot. You did so by making fun of Ben and that's not cool. He did nothing to you or anyone else. He has just as much right to be here as you. Actually, I find both your posts to be nothing but a petty way of lashing out because you felt ignored. Once again I will say that we aren't here to entertain you. If you don't like what is happening here, do something! If you don't try, then you have no reason to complain. Simple as that. I respected your view before, but when you came back and berrated Ben & Wild One, you crossed the line. It's truly sad that you felt the need to do that. There are great people here and they don't deserve to be ridiculed for any reason. I personally think that you owe them an apology. And that is all I have to say!

Jersey Fan

11-02-2000, 6:38pm

For whatever my words are worth to the members and readers here.(ok stop laughing..I know not much I'm just the schmuck from New Jersey counting votes) Now risking the chance of sounding too preachy.

I'd say its time to put this topic to rest.
I don't think everyone is thinking clearly
(including myself) at the moment nor does everyone understand each others personal troubles or concerns. Mostly from lack of information. I don't think anyone is putting "their best foot forward" here.

Kamen I've seen your website. You are a passionate fan and should stay here and post more. If its not possible to do now then maybe sometime down the road. Topics do get repeated and not everyone responds to every post because of it. It is I beleive the nature of the forums. Lets all be a little more understanding. It took me sometime to "jump in" and join the forums. I'm glad I did. There are some really great fans here.
With many different perspectives. And we've got more to talk about than just Shania. We are not perfect. Neither are you.
EVERYONE should try and remember there are people here of all ages,backrounds,economic conditions and each with their own set of problems. I'm getting down from the soap box now sorry if I sounded way preachy but I think what started this whole thing was a little misunderstanding that grew from lack of information and consideration. Maybe I'm wrong. I like white wine, onions and garlic when the time comes to eat my words....

[This message has been edited by Jersey Fan (edited November 02, 2000).]

Heather

11-02-2000, 7:04pm

LOL wow Wild One. Are you certain that you don't have anything else to add http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif

Londo

11-02-2000, 8:53pm

Jersey,
Yes, you preached. So what? As far as I’m concerned your post has stopped me from writing a message that I would’ve regretted in the morning, but the damage would’ve been done.

It is interesting reading this topic how misunderstandings and lack of information can lead to such a situation. It is futile now to say that Kamen doesn’t know about Ben’s condition, otherwise he wouldn’t have said what he did. It’s strange, but as I read the second post till its final part I thought things will be OK, but they ain’t now.

Heather, I think it’s fair to say that both sides have crossed the line here. It was a chain reaction based on lack of understanding and tolerance. I wonder where it’s gonna go.

This topic makes you realize how different people are, how different their system of values are and unfortunately how incompatible. We will have these types of topics until people learn to accept that others are different, even opposite in many ways and views. So we can either choose to detach ourselves from those different from us and try to create our own environment with people that we are compatible with, thus ignoring and rejecting the other and simplifying our lives or we can try and learn how to accept each other with what we all have to offer. The first option is always easier and is the default one. But is it the best one? That depends on what everyone expects from life itself and since people are so different, we’ll never get to the second option. It will always be the first one. I thought this forum would be a utopic case where all of this was possible, but I guess I was wrong. Pity.

iloveshania

11-02-2000, 11:55pm

Kamen:

I understand and respect your choices, and am very happy that I was not in anyway a catalyst for your leaving. I think that at this point tempers have gotten the best of everyone and we need to lay this to rest. I realize that it is difficult to see the people you have become close to slowly leave the forum and you need somewhere to put the blame. Please keep in mind however that discussing the same thing month after month will lead to repetition and bordom, even when the topic is Shania; that unfortunately is the nature of the beast. As I said, I understand your feelings, and I know that some of your words were spoken in anger, but I must say that your comments towards Ben were inappropriate and I hope you show the maturity to apologize. Again I am sorry to see you go and hope that you drop by from time to time. Good luck to you!

iloveshania

iloveshania

11-03-2000, 12:16am

Londo:

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a utopia on earth. The best that we can hope for is that we continue to strive to come as close as possible. Remember that both Kamen and Wild One expressed the views of differing sides of the same coin; there is no right or wrong in this type of argument, only differing views. Sadly this type of situation is hardest on those who walk the middle line, such as yourself. I would suggest you seperate yourself from this issue or you will end up saying or doing something you will regret. Don't burn your bridges, just avoid the road until the waters settle. Love yah friend and I don't want to lose you over this;it would be a lose for us all.

iloveshania

benperkins

11-03-2000, 6:04am

I felt what he said was hurtful. He went for 3 areas that I'm sensitive about. I had to explain my situation, not out of rudness or anger, but to say Look, thats alright but my situation is out of the ordanary.

I felt deepy hurt by what he said, The rest of the people on there came off faily lighty. Well Wild One did have some comments directed at him that where insulting but that was in a different situation. I was made to feel stupid, like I was the problem and was upset by what I saw.

I was horrified by it all, that someone would direct comments at me like that. The bit that said I would get over Shania in a short time made me feel empty. She can't give me all those things, but she dose more than enterain me, she gives me hope.

Yes his comments about me, made the feeling that I was to blame stronger.

I write this as theres been a problem at College and we where all sent home. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

Winemaker

11-03-2000, 9:46am

Ben, my friend. I wanna go over there and give you a hug buddy. If I was girl, I'd give a shot at being your girlfriend. I think we get along great. I think we're gonna be friends for a long time if not forever.

I'm like you in a lot of ways. I don't think I have austism, but I'm close to it if I don't have it. I too get obsessed very obsessed, and angry over small things. A lot more than the average person.

You're 18 Ben, that's young, little I know of you, you seem like a great guy. And also your funny, girls like humor. I think it's just a matter of time before a girl falls for you. I believe there's at least one girl made for each guy on this earth. With time you'll find yours.

As for Shania, I am as much a fanatic as you are. To me too, she is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I can't get enough of her! I LOVE HER!!

Charles, your friend!

Londo

11-03-2000, 10:09am

Ben,
I for one am really sorry that things turned out this way. I’m sure that Kamen doesn’t know about your Autism and problems, otherwise he wouldn’t have said those things. Nevertheless, the damage has been done and I agree that he owes you an apology, he never should have made those comments even against someone without your status.
I can tell you that you shouldn’t feel this bad about the way you are. I know it’s frustrating since it’s obviously not your fault that you have those problems. To tell you the truth, I’m probably the opposite of you. I have a pretty balanced character, from many points of view. My curiosity is channeled in many directions, I’m interested in many things from many areas (as you probably saw from my posts). The bad side in this is that I will never be able to attach myself to something and feel as strongly about that something as you do. The advantage that I have is that I can have a more objective look on things, while the destruction of some of my areas of interest wouldn’t devastate me, since I don’t have some “life and death” bond with it. But I can tell you that I many times envy you, and not only you, all other people that find within themselves the passion and strength to care for something as much as you do. Everybody has something special, no matter where that something is or what it stands for. So don’t feel bad about it, you have no reason to.
As for Kamen and me, we live in fairly similar societies here in the Balkans. Another thing that I and especially he envies you about is the fact that you live in a healthier society, a society that doesn’t chicane you all the time and pure and simply allows you to breathe. I would tell you more bout this, but it’s too depressing. His main goal is getting the chance to develop somewhere in the west, where you can’t feel this psychological prison that many of us live in. And you shouldn’t underestimate the negative impact a society has on someone that is connected to that society. So please don’t judge him to harsh, I’m sure he didn’t mean those things as they came out, especially not knowing your position. We have to learn that we are different and respect each other’s views, even if we disagree with them.

Iloveshania,
Don’t worry, I haven’t posted the whole history of humanity just to leave like that.lol I won’t leave, even if I get a little annoyed from time to time. It’s not very easy to get me annoyed in a decisive way. And even then, as long as I have people to talk to around here, I see no reason to make an exit.
It is nice to remember that I posted something similar to what you told me now a few months back, on the first Faith vs. Shania topic, exactly about the people in the middle getting caught in the crossfire. One of the things I really hate is being able to anticipate where things are going and not being able to do anything about it. What I was unsuccessfully trying to do here was to diminish the negative effects of posts from either side, since I know the people’s real positions and it’s stupid to see what this has turned into. But don’t worry, I won’t burn all my bridges, I’ll survive this somehow. Thanks for the advice anyway, it’s nice to know there still are people around here with clear minds and attitudes. Btw, I love you too. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

Wild One

11-03-2000, 11:07am

Thanks Sam, Guitarist, etc. Heather, I don't have anything else to add. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif I burned way too many brain cells over that creep!

Like Guitarist said, the tension built up and blew all over hell. I couldn't hold it in any longer. I could've taken the insults that were directed at me but when he went after Ben the way he did. That was it. Nobody does that to any of my friends and gets away with it!

Ben. "Don't Be Stupid (You Know We Love You!)" http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif

Ben, you'll get a girl. You're only 18. You have 60-70 more years of your life to live yet. I know you're gonna get a wonderful girl, trust me.

[This message has been edited by Wild One (edited November 03, 2000).]

iloveshania

11-03-2000, 7:32pm

Ben darlin', If I wasn't way too old for you I'd love to have you for a boyfriend. You are a sweet, loving, sensitive guy. You will find the right someone someday. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

iloveshania

Slope

11-04-2000, 1:56am

Hey Ben if I wasn't a guy I'd love ya. You need not worry you will have a special someone in your life. Trust me, Look at me I'm married. I am no prize.

benperkins

11-04-2000, 5:40am

Guys Guys. I don't want a girlfriend at this momment in time. I'm quite happy as I am for the momment. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif Unless a certein Singer got a devorce, but thats not going to happen http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/wink.gif

But thank you all. http://www.shania.net/shaniaforum/smile.gif

Viper

11-04-2000, 8:42am

I agree with all,Kamen.if thou not like what is on thy forum, dont bother to readeth it!and like thou has uttered"JUST MAKE A NEW TOPIC"!!!!! iF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THE WAY I HAVE SPEAKETH, MAKE A TOPIC WITH THE SUBJECT"VIPER"!!!!!!!!
Viper

Justin

11-05-2000, 7:41pm

Wild One please keep your comments under control. Remember what the rules laid out for the forums were. It is against the rules to lash out another member. Let us just say farewell to kamen.

Justin

kamen

11-06-2000, 7:09am

I thought that my second post will fill the emptiness in our misunderstandings but it didn't. So, I have to post this one with hope that after it there will be no misunderstandings regarding what I'm trying to say.

Dear "ib4shania",
Thanks for your appreciation and as it seems you're the second one after Kev ST who realized what is my opinion 'bout these Forums, their members and their posts. It's nice to see that I'm not alone.

Dear "Justin",
Thank you for the opportunity you gave me. I'm happy that I made a good impression to you and to all the rest who won't forgive me. It means that I'm a respected member of these Forums. Thank you once again!

Dear "Wild One",
OK. If you wanna fight, then let's do it somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean 'cause it won't be fair to do that in the USA, or in my country, Bulgaria. Although I don't like to fight, I'm ready to do it 'cause I have the right to vindicate my dignity and to keep my personal honour.

If you wanna talk, then keep in mind that "when making comments young eyes are also watching". You're dependent on your feelings and you wanna be mean. Your coarseness is something that I can't stand, but all your friends seem to tolerate it. Then it's their fault, not mine. But let's face it to all the members who can't understand your attitude to me: I've been a pen pal with Wild One for almost 3 months (from 14 Apr 2000 'til 27 Jun 2000) and we've exchanged 26 messages through the e-mail. In my last e-mail to him I asked him to send me a pic of him just to know how does he look like, and even I promised him that I will show the pic to no one, even to my family if he wanted so. I gave him my postal address in case he can't send it over the e-mail. But as I see he found it very expensive and difficult to send me a pic of him. It means that our friendship which we had was only by words and nothing more. He didn't appreciate that I wanted to have a real friend, who I can trust and rely on.

As for my "precious survey"- OK, you can't recognize the reality. Thank goodness that some others can! Would you please tell me how many members have posted in the last 30 days? Could you do that? And would you please tell me where are "RJ", "ShaniaTL", "Country-Boy", "alive&sore", "Fan4ever", "Shania's-Twin", "WM", "skittles_18", "Filip", "Dushyant", "*XtyNa*#1Shania's mex_fan", "critch67", "EnchantedJumper", "garyphyllis", "Shania is #1", "tigger01", "QubeeTwain", "shanfans", "Shaniasfan", "melaughs", "Larry", "Ben", "Malissa", "bubbalee", "KoolestFanShania", "Lacey", "Trinity", "Kit10", "margot", "mastersurfing", "eilleen", "Ivan Rifai", "17Blink182", "john_t", "somefan", "kylesguitar7", "caseyrebel", "danit95", "dave", "ShaniaTwainFreak", "ISLAND GIRL", "Ville", "dantee", "razorbac", "Challenger" and the list goes on...and on...and on...Can you explain me why haven't we heard 'em recently? I can explain you why we won't hear from 'em in the future- the reasons are the same as I stated why I leave these Forums- lack of time (very busy working or studying) or bored and upset (like "shanilia" who has joined the LilaMcCann.com Forums). There's no other explanation for their missing of these Forums! No other! If you can count how many are 10-15% of the current number of the members you'll see how many members actually come, read and post here. You better do it!

And I'd like to give you an advice- we, the Bulgarians, have a great proverb: "Think twice, speak (or write, in this case) once." Think 'bout it when next time you wanna post something on these (and whoevers Forums) and please try to control yourself 'cause you seem very funny to me and probably not only to me.

Dear "benperkins",
I owe you an apologize! I hope you'll forgive me, I didn't mean to be rude and I didn't know that you have such problems. I'm really sorry if I've offended you somehow but it was strange for me that an Englishman can't write well in English. Now I know what's your situation and I hope you'll forgive me for what I said. People like you really need such Forums where they are always welcome and not neglected. I do hope that you'll make many, many more friendships and relationships in the future. At least I wish you that and best of luck!

Dear "Heather",
The first and the second post are connected. I'm explaining one and the same thing in both. As for that I owe an apology (except to "benperkins") to any other members- well, I don't see the reason to apologize. If they can't or don't want to understand what I'm saying, it's their problem. As I mentioned in the first post and in the second my aim is not to offend or to hurt somebody. I wanna make it clear why I leave these Forums and why most of the Forums' members have left, too. And I didn't want to waste my little free time I have while I'm studying but I couldn't not to react to the attacks of some members like Wild One.

Dear "Jersey Fan",
Yes, as you say I'm a "passionate fan". And I published all that info and links 'bout Shania and "Mutt" on my web site 'cause I'm still a fan of Shania. Of course, I'm not that big fan as I used to be, but Shania is still the #1 in my personal chart for "Best Female Performers". I wanted to gather all the important facts 'bout Shania and "Mutt" on one place and I hope I've succeeded in it.
I have totally three CDs at home and two of 'em are Shania's ("Shania Twain" and "Come On Over" - the American edition). These two CDs I received thanks to my friend RJ. I also introduced Shania to some of my classmates who were interested in her by lending 'em my two cassettes "The Woman In Me" and "Come On Over" (Intl. version). I think it makes me a good Shania's fan, doesn't it?

To the rest of the members who have expressed their opinions (or emotions),
Thank you for reading and replying to this topic! Your posts (no matter if they are for or against me) make this topic more open and democratic. I do hope that you respect and perceive me as one normal human being who states his opinion.

The reality is one and the same for everybody. The difference is in the ways we interpret it.

Kamen Koev

[This message has been edited by kamen (edited November 06, 2000).]

benperkins

11-06-2000, 8:23am

Kamen

I accept your apology, actually this has been a very interesting subject and I've enjoyed re reading it after my head cleared. http://www.shaniaforums.com/smile.gif

I for one hope you stay as well as you can give a interesting argument. We need more people like that. Or else things will become a bit stale http://www.shaniaforums.com/wink.gif

Anyway thanks.

(This message was spell checked first http://www.shaniaforums.com/wink.gif)

TonyB

11-06-2000, 9:05am

Kamen, are u still here? I thought u were leaving us...

I guess it's not as boring as u thought...lol

iloveshania

11-06-2000, 4:06pm

Dear Kamen:

Thank you once again for expressing your views. I feel compelled however to say that some of your statements are flawed. Approximately one half of the members you mentioned have infact posted within the last week. You perhaps were unaware of this as you have not been around. In my opinion it is inappropriate for you to name people and state that you represent thier views, without thier permission. You have every right to state your views, and I have made every effort to respect that, but to assume that you have the right to speak for others is incredibly arrogant to say the least. If it is your wish to leave these forums as you have stated, then I urge you to do so with due speed. You stated that you think twice and write once; I suggest you think more and write less. Your first post was perhaps misunderstood, but your two concurrent posts have singled people out and are in my opinion offensive. I do not wish to lash out at you, and I am trying to control my anger, and understand you. But I urge you to drop this now as you are not achieving anything but hurt feelings here. If you wish to remain and be a part of these forums, I would be more than happy to converse with you, but this issue is counter productive for everyone including you. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose to do.

iloveshania