just a question

[dreamer]

with all the comotion surounding what Shania did with her chest in the IANQ video I wondered.....why is it okay for the lead singer of Rascal Flatts to flash his butt in the I Melt video and not okay for Shania to do what she did? I mean what's the difference? they both knew what they were doing and yet all I heard about the butt thing was "that's ssooooooo hhooooootttt" (not to me but whatever :rolleyes: LOL ) so why is that okay aand noy what Shania did? :huh: Just curious?

[IanUK]

Personally I don't have a problem with Shania playing with her breasts. But I am male after all. I guess some people are just jealous, and they will condemn something to make themselves feel better. I mean what she actually done was nothing in perspective. So many music videos these days are all about flesh, and IANQ wasn't, it was just a bit of fun.

[matty]

Its because its Shania and most people have a problem with what ever she does so when she does something that obvious people will hound her for it.


Personally I don't have a problem with Shania playing with her breasts. But I am male after all.

:biglaugh:

[Troll]

On the same subject this was posted on gactv.com

Q: How could Shania resort to Michael Jackson actions in her new video, "I Ain't No Quitter" by grabbing her breasts & shaking them? Doesn't she have any respect for herself? I know I'm not the only one disgusted by this. Is this what we have to look forward to from her in the future? (Lori, Denton, MD)

A: Lori, Shania has always been a very sexy lady from the beginning of her career. I’m sure she didn’t intend any of her moves on the video to be too risqué and would probably apologize to you if she thought you were offended by it.

[Shania's4life!!]

Because some people are hypocrites. Compare what Shania did to what you see on MTV and this isn't even an issue. Some country fans are just stuck up, prudish, anti-Shania morons, there is no 2 ways with them.
Shania could donate $1,000,000,000 to charity and they would probably trash her for not signing the check fast enough.[/rant]

[SHANIAFAN#1]

Because some people are hypocrites. Compare what Shania did to what you see on MTV and this isn't even an issue. Some country fans are just stuck up, prudish, anti-Shania morons, there is no 2 ways with them.
Shania could donate $1,000,000,000 to charity and they would probably trash her for not signing the check fast enough.[/rant]
Exactly...enough is enough already! :up:

[Kristian]

Kinda the same old story :rolleyes:

[EilleenTwain88]

Shania could donate $1,000,000,000 to charity and they would probably trash her for not signing the check fast enough.[/rant]
:great:
Absolutely.

[FinnFreak]

:rolleyes:

...and before I get that same old song about moderators again oppressing the members' opinions & rights, I'd like to remind you all, that I'm a member myself and I have the right to voice my opinion as well.


*takes the moderator cloak off and leaves it outside the door*


Well, people have different interpretations on different subjects: music, litterature, arts, sciences, politics, anything imaginable.

Shania's "I Ain't No Quitter" video has caused turmoil..? - How..?

Because it's Shania - whatever she does, will, forever and for always, be examined with a microscope... and in this particular case... well, you don't really need a microscope - in fact, some members of the opposite sex would have to have pretty poor eyesight not to notice a brief gesture by Shania. We have wandering eyes. It's a natural thing, but common decency and civilized manners would require gentlemen not to so openly rave about another man's wife.

I closed one thread (http://www.shaniaforums.com/showthread.php?t=37474) some time ago exactly on this very same subject, as it (and previous others of it's kind) clearly lacked showing respect towards women & offered our younger members a way of looking at women in a derogatory way.

I asked our female members then to please send in some of their views about this topic & how they feel about it.

To this day, nobody has bothered. - I must be a moron, then. (yes, I can hear those hums of agreement)

So, in general, people are saying it's a gesture of sexual nature & Shania's just having fun with it.

Really..?

Is that how you took it..?

Taking into account the lyrical concept, did anyone even consider it as a defiant gesture against the male dominated world/industry..? - reminding the viewers that "hey, I'm a woman, proud of it & will not give up and give in to male misconceptions about who I am." - and in my opinion, Shania continues with consistency to enhance the female self-esteem around the world.


That's my view about it.


...I'll get my cloak now...


John - ;)

[EilleenTwain88]

Here it comes. Well. As we women are quite different from each other, I'm pretty sure this is not "the opinion". Not even of all those Finnish/Scandinavian ladies...

I find Shania's way - "teasing" it a bit - quite amusing and refreshing. To me it means that she is not taking her sexuality TOO seriously, but not hiding it either. She has accepted the harsh reality of the business she is in - and is using it with the wink of the eye. ;)

I mean do we know ANY succesful female singer in pop/rock/country who look bad, over-weight, not (at least trying) to look sexy?!? We have Ozzy Osbournes etc. in the male artists, but in women?!? Name one.

The IANQ video shake up was deliberately done because of the hulabaloo of the Don't! -video bounce. She made a statement. With teeny weeny bit of feminist argumentation. :cool:

And as a woman I find it rightful reminder of the fact that in music business the funniest things get the attention. When do we start discussing some male artist's bear-belly, the "bounce" or some other physical "mishap" some of them obviously have?!? The only one getting that is Jacko, only after he started to look like a woman??? :shocked: :D

Even some the female fans spend their time pondering about Shania's breasts... and their misbehavings. Even more viciously than men. Why? :confused:

[come on over]

always the same old story

I don't have any problems with what Shania did in IANQ, I think it's just a funny move for the video.

that's all

[Afonso]

We are " FREE" , this is not a dictatorship :rolleyes: , she makes what she wants, and final point. if somebody criticizes I know what is it. ENVY lol :uhh:

[IanUK]

As I said earlier, I have no problem with Shania groping herself. But does that mean I look at women in a derogatory way? I don't think so. Yes I find Shania very attractive, but isn't that healthy? I like to think that it doesn't affect how I treat women.

Though, I would like to say that Shania didn't need to do it. Shania is extremely talented and doesn't need to sell records in this way (if that was what she was trying to do). I do believe it was just a bit of fun though.

Can't help but think though a male was behind the whole horse + Shania in tight red dress idea :D

[dreamer]

I agree very much with what you guys have to say I just wanted to know what you thought about the whole thing when it came to me I was a bit irate but than again I never expected less:)

[UllaCountryGal]

I dont see what all this fuss is about. I didnt see anything offending by her grabing her breasts. I dont reckon it's derogatoring at all. It's just fun. Ofcourse it depends on how you look at it. I mean I could see it as a hey, we have exciting body-parts too or a be comfortable with your body, embrace your femininty kind of thing. It's okey be to sexy and making use of your sexy-ness. To some that might sound anti-feminist. I am a feminist, and i belong to the Icelandic Feminist socciety(although I almost got kicked out when it got discovered that I possess The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, and that I like that musical,), I fight for women's rights but as for sexyness I think its all good. If I see a woman on the street who flaunts her boobs in top with a very plunging neck-line and in a thight jeans or whatever. I don think she is giving men the message I'm sexy, come harass me, I'll be your servant, I'll do what ever you like me to do She's just likes her body and shows that to the world. What's so wrong with that? hmm... I think Shania touching her breats in her video is a good thing rather than a bad thing.

[jgb 15]

Shania is doin her thing and she isn't backin to anyone. If that is all we get a fuss from I think Shania is alright. She will be in the critics eye and we can laugh at them.

No worries here!

[dreamer]

again I agree I just wanted to pose the question.........more to make a point but with you guys I don't have to. most of us are on the same page and agree

[UllaCountryGal]

I think your question was a good question

[FinnFreak]

I think your question was a good question

...and a question that deserves to be answered with some observations, parallel to this issue in some ways.


This particular thread is not disturbing. Most replies in the other closed thread aren't bad either. However, plenty of posts have been removed over the years - it's the sign of the times - the Internet is filled with questionable material that's simply labelled as "adult entertainment"...

I'm not talking about Shania here. She's definitely suitable as a role model for any age, and many of her songs take stand on burning issues concerning the treatment and respect towards women - I don't have to give examples, you know the songs I'm talking about.

But sometimes it seems, that somehow the message gets lost along the way & Shania should not be the one held responsible, when her message is misinterpreted, if questionable manipulation is performed... fans should know better than to create garbage like that - not to mention refrain from distributing that faked filth over the web.

With freedom of speech comes responsibility - that right shouldn't be misused.


Values

At the present, the society adds pressure on our children to become adults as soon as possible: instead of having a guided childhood of games, play and learning - our youth are exposed to elements that they should NEVER have to come across. Not at that age. They aren't adults yet. And even when they reach that legal age, some still can't handle everything they come across in an adult fashion. Schools are blamed. The media is blamed. Heck, everyone else besides the one's who ARE ultimately responsible are blamed - the parents.

Take care of your children and teach them the values that are required in building societies where people respect one another without abuse and violence. Don't blindly rely on the education system to bring up your kids - you brought them into this world - in the end it's YOUR responsibility.

Also, we can all do our part - only this morning our local paper ran an editorial on a tabloid magazine ad shown on TV. In this ad, a former Finnish ski jumping hero is trying his best not to laugh, grasping a copy of the magazine in his hand. So, what's disturbing about this image..? - The fact, that the star in question is (and the ad was shot) in prison. For 26 months for stabbing a person in the back, twice, for losing an armwrestling match. What kind of message is that giving to our children, about attitudes towards laws, crime & punishment..? No remorse at all..? A 41 year old idiot, who never grew up, shouldn't be allowed to do ads while serving time. Also, the networks airing these ads are receiving quite a lot of feedback... the game's not over yet.

Responsibility - that's what we need more of.

And consideration.


John - :)

[EilleenTwain88]

To Jussie

The question about responsebility is a quite tricky one. As a parent I squirm a little bit at this total weight on our shoulders. Of course I admit that the final responsebility raising the child belongs to the parents, but in the modern world it can be quite a tricky task to accomplish though. The parent are humans after all and the influences from media, school, other familys and their raising methods, the culture, etc. can sometimes be overwhelming.

I tried to take part into some mb's for the parents and I had to quit. Parents (mostly moms in there though) seem to be quite lost in this huge turmoil of details, following every new isms and forgetting their old-fashioned common sense? And the fact that however perfect they would like to be, they are going to make mistakes some day. As the fellow-parents do. And making mistakes as a parent is quite okay. It is definetaly better to make a honest mistake, notice it and apologize, than to pretend to be perfect parent all the time. This insecurity makes them snappy, covering up situations when they need help, afraid of people who think differently, etc. Too MUCH of sense of responsebility and individual thinking can make it rather hard and cold out there?

I have a theory. Many people I know use up this huge sense of responsebility and strength during the child's first three years. All the energy which was meant to last the lifetime? Just because the experts have told us that those are THE MOST IMPORTANT years of the child's life. They put their everything to this "project" during those years, so when they go back to work they have nothing left and leave it to the "professionals". The hard values of productivity and focusing have merged into the parenthood also?

As a tabloid journalism I would only say that it will never clean up or vanish until there are people buying that stuff. That is where the responsebility lies there.

[FinnFreak]

The use of common sense is good enough (who has superpowers, anyway?): kids can be trusted to great lengths, but they should never forget who's in charge - too often it's the kids running the show instead of the parents, without any control at all... :smirk:

yeh, I agree:

tired of the tabloids..? - boycott them by NOT buying them, just let them fade away...


John - :)

[EilleenTwain88]

.. but they should never forget who's in charge - too often it's the kids running the show instead of the parents, without any control at all... :smirk:
Well. We have had this discussion in our family for about 5 years now. My husband is quite incapable of keeping any discipline to our son as I consider myself to be even overly strict and controlling.

Where's the truth between those two? And how to measure which is better - and in what time? The pratt who was totally irretable when 6 can be nice and polite when 16. And vice versa. Because the children are individuals also.

People are different in the begin with and the parenthood doesn't make them all alike. UNFORTUNATELY they don't become as wise and mature as myself :D :funny: !! In these years we both have changed - the father has found his boundaries with the boy at least couple of times and I have become softer; not nagging and controlling everything anymore. And now some of my childless friends keep wondering how softie I am with him...

I have pondered over these things many many times. Like if it is impossible to find a common ground with your husband considering these raising issues, what can you do? I mean all the books and experts tell you how IMPORTANT it is to find a common way... But what to do if it doesn't work? Dump him? No advice there.

But then I read this book of Terttu Arajärvi, where she had TWO good advise to parents:
1. be always true to your own character - be genuine
2. no mistake made out of love is fatal - they can be fixed

That is a quite merciful approach, since I believe all parents want to raise their children so that their lives will be as smooth as possible. Each parent with their own capacity, knowledge and personality. As long as we could get out of this judging atmosphere and people were incouraged to admit their mistakes and use their energy fixing them - not hiding them or finding faults from other parents.

[FinnFreak]

...this thread is heading into an interesting direction... ;)



1. be always true to your own character - be genuine
2. no mistake made out of love is fatal - they can be fixed
:D:up:

...I'd try adding:

3. struggle towards consistency - less confusion


...could do wonders here as well...


John - :p