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captainCorr
10-31-2005, 7:10pm
NASA sets schedule for handling asteroid threat
Letter suggests probe in 2019 and deflector by 2028 ... if needed

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This graphic shows the orbit of the asteroid Apophis in relation to the paths of Earth and other planets in the inner solar system.

NASA has outlined what it could do, and in what time frame, in case a quarter-mile-wide asteroid named Apophis is on a course to slam into Earth in the year 2036. The timetable was released by the B612 Foundation, a group that is pressing NASA and other government agencies to do more to head off threats from near-Earth objects.

The plan runs like this: Eight years from now, if there's still a chance of a collision in 2036, NASA would start drawing up plans to put a probe on the space rock or in orbit around it in 2019. Measurements sent back from the probe would characterize Apophis' course to an accuracy of mere yards (meters) by the year 2020.

If those readings still could not rule out a strike in 2036, NASA would try to deflect the asteroid into a non-threatening course in the 2024-2028 time frame by firing an impactor at it — using this year's Deep Impact comet-blasting probe (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8464385/) as a model. Experts would start planning for the "Son of Deep Impact" mission even before they knew whether or not it was needed.

The plan is described in a letter attributed to Mary Cleave, NASA's associate administrator for the science mission directorate, as well as a scientific paper by Steve Chesley, an asteroid specialist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The letter was addressed to the B612 Foundation, and B612 made the letter and the paper public (http://www.b612foundation.org/press/press.html) on Friday evening.

Although Cleave declined to comment on the plan in an e-mail exchange with MSNBC.com on Sunday, NASA confirmed on Monday that the letter distributed by the B612 Foundation was authentic. The outlines of the plan match reports (http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=17771) that emerged from an August scientific (http://www.on.br/acm2005/visualiza-abstract.php?acao=Orbit+Estimation+and+Potential+I mpact+Detection+for+Near-Earth+Asteroids) conference in Brazil, where Chesley presented his paper.

‘Thorough and thoughtful’ analysis
The B612 Foundation said it was grateful for NASA's "thorough and thoughtful" analysis, which came in response to the foundation's call for a near-term mission to the asteroid, back in June. Former astronaut Rusty Schweickart, the chairman of the California-based foundation's board, said the plan would pose challenges for NASA officials.

"It's certainly a tight schedule," he told MSNBC.com Sunday, "but on the other hand, they're the experts."

Schweickart also noted that Apophis was an unusual case among potentially threatening asteroids, in that it would take a relatively small deflection to eliminate the possibility of a catastrophic collision. "In the typical case, that isn't going to do the job," he said.

Flurry of concern
Apophis, also known as 2004 MN4, stirred up a flurry of concern (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6751433/) last December when the risk of collision was raised temporarily to as high as 1 out of 40 for the year 2029. With an estimated diameter of 1,300 feet (400 meters), the asteroid could destroy a city if it hit the wrong place on land, or raise a deadly tsunami if it plunged into the ocean.

Fortunately, more precise plotting ruled out a collision in 2029. However, Apophis will still make an extremely close pass — missing Earth by mere tens of thousands of miles. At that distance, Earth's gravitational pull could perturb Apophis' orbit enough to put it on a track to hit during another pass in 2036. Experts say that could happen if, during the 2029 close encounter, the asteroid passes through an outer-space "keyhole" that measures about 2,000 feet (600 meters) across.

In statistical terms, the risk of an impact (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/) is now set at 1 in 5,560, based on the uncertainties surrounding Apophis' orbit.

Will it make impact?
Asteroid-watchers may be able to rule out a collision entirely as early as next year, when Apophis is in a good position for further observations. However, the key observations will come in 2013, when astronomers can analyze subtle changes in the asteroid's orbit. If that analysis shows there's still a significant chance of impact in 2036, NASA would send a radio-equipped probe toward a 2019 rendezvous with the asteroid, and collect a year's worth of data about its position.

"With the use of these transponder data, the 2036 impact could be definitively ruled out (or in) by 2020," Cleave said in her letter.

If the impact is "ruled in," NASA would proceed with the deflection probe. "Although the precise method and timeline of a deflection effort cannot be established in this early stage, the recent experience of Deep Impact, which went from initial planning to successful impact on Comet 9P/Tempel 1 in less than seven years, is relevant," Cleave said.

One way or another, NASA would try to push the comet out of a path leading to the 2029 keyhole. The letter explained that "it would be far easier to accomplish a deflection mission prior to the 2029 close approach to avoid any potential 2036 collision."

Of course, chances are that the Apophis affair will turn out like previous asteroid alarms have — with more detailed observations eventually ruling out the threat. Even in that case, NASA may decide to go ahead with the radio probe or the deflection probe anyway, for the sake of science rather than planetary survival.

Concerns remain
Schweickart said the B612 Foundation — which takes its name from an asteroid mentioned in Antoine de Saint-Exupery's "The Little Prince" (http://www.korczak.com/Exupery/englisch/0.html) — still had concerns about threats from near-Earth objects in general, and about Apophis in particular.

He worried that the funding might not be available to make high-quality radar readings of Apophis by 2013 — particularly readings from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, the world's largest single radio dish. "It's no secret that Arecibo is fairly precarious right now, and especially the radar function, because that is not needed for the bulk of radio astronomy," Schweickart said.

The B612 Foundation said the National Science Foundation should make sure there is reliable radar capability "to support early warning of pending NEO [near-Earth object] impacts and rational deflection mission planning."

Schweickart said NASA should also boost research into advanced propulsion methods that might come into play for deflecting near-Earth objects — such as Project Prometheus, the nuclear propulsion program that was recently pared back (http://www.space.com/news/050512_nasa_prometheus.html).

Who should be in charge?
Finally, Schweickart and the B612 Foundation said the responsibility for protecting Earth from hazardous asteroids and comets should be officially assigned to a capable U.S. government agency. That agency might turn out to be NASA or the Department of Defense, Schweickart said, but "from a bureaucratic point of view, the candidate might be Homeland Security."

Schweickart said the cost of fending off dangerous near-Earth objects would be far less than the cost of cleaning up after this year's hurricanes — and would produce spin-offs in the form of scientific insights as well as next-generation propulsion and power systems.

"The development of that technology is not like the development of a levee around New Orleans, which serves only one function," he said.© 2005 MSNBC Interactive (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9871982/page/2/)

Troll
10-31-2005, 11:16pm
Very interesting.

nds76
02-26-2007, 12:35pm
Astronomers are monitoring an asteroid that may come uncomfortably close to earth in 2036. It's called Apophis, which has a 1 in 45,000 chance of striking Earth on April 13, 2036.

A direct hit on an urban area could unleash more destruction than Hurricane Katrina, the 2004 Asian tsunami, and the 1906 San Francisco earthquake combined. The blast would equal 880 million tons of TNT or 65,000 times the power of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Scientist recently gathered in California to discuss how to detour Apophis. The favored approach is to dispatch a spacecraft that would use gravity to alter the asteroid's course so it no longer threatens Earth. The mission costs are estimated at $300 million.

NASA says there are currently more than 800 potentially hazardous asteroids with the potential of each making a close approach to Earth. Unfortunately, there's no 100% way to predict if or when an asteroid will hit.

http://www.kfvs.com/Global/story.asp?S=6133759

ELEANOR MAW
02-26-2007, 1:07pm
That means I have to get a strong tin hat and a good supply of beans by 2036

shania megafan
02-26-2007, 1:29pm
Oh :shocked: These things really scare me..

ELEANOR MAW
02-26-2007, 1:32pm
what the beans scare you. It's probably what happens after one's eaten them.

tonyme
02-26-2007, 1:55pm
This really scares me:uhh: But with God's will, nothing will happen...

Plus, we still have over twenty years to live, right?!;)

ELEANOR MAW
02-26-2007, 2:03pm
This really scares me:uhh: But with God's will, nothing will happen...

Plus, we still have over twenty years to live, right?!;)29 years, least I will have got to 52.

Troll
02-26-2007, 2:20pm
Thanks for the warning.

Alex
02-26-2007, 3:07pm
I have seen a lot of theorys and hypothesis like this, turning around my head from the news.. and nothing has happened. In 1992 it was announced suposly the hit of some asteroid by 2002, and what did happen? nothing.. so it doesn't mean anything till we see the facts... But this is not scared to me.. You better concern about living your life instead of thinking when we're going to dissapear or the world will be over;)

Paul
02-26-2007, 3:58pm
I'd like to volunteer to go into space and continue the human race. Hey that rhymes! I'm copyrighting that.

SevenUp!
02-26-2007, 6:26pm
I'd like to volunteer to go into space and continue the human race. Hey that rhymes! I'm copyrighting that.

LOL!!


Oh :shocked: These things really scare me..

Don't worry sweetie....it won't happen. The powers that be are going to figure out the best way to alter it's path so it goes off in another direction. In the end, it won't even come close to us.

Marine
02-26-2007, 6:44pm
Most of us will be dead by 2036.

Mizery1
02-26-2007, 8:04pm
Don't worry sweetie....it won't happen. The powers that be are going to figure out the best way to alter it's path so it goes off in another direction. In the end, it won't even come close to us.
Guess you seen the movie, eh?:p

SevenUp!
02-26-2007, 9:48pm
lol Randy! Actually I haven't....heard about it though. ;) Sounds pretty accurate.

Shania's4life!!
02-27-2007, 6:06am
A 1 in 45,000 chance huh? ...somehow I think we'll be safe.

FinnFreak
02-27-2007, 9:22am
Most of us will be dead by 2036.

:uhh: - yeah, looking at mankind's behaviour, it's pretty amazing we're still around today...


...and, to the question: is there intelligent life in the universe..?


NO. Earth included.


John - :smirk:

Troll
03-10-2007, 10:12am
Research: 'Planet killer' not in the stars
NASA Urged to Find Ways to Deflect Smaller Threats

The risk that an asteroid capable of wiping out humanity will crash into Earth is minuscule, new calculations suggest, but the chances of a smaller one destroying a city or setting off a catastrophic tsunami remain unclear and may be higher than previous estimates.

The calculations were presented at a four-day meeting in Washington this week, leading scores of scientists present to conclude that NASA needs to move aggressively to meet a congressional deadline for identifying most of the potentially hazardous smaller asteroids and to develop ways to deflect them if they home in on Earth.

But in a report released to Congress yesterday, the space agency said it does not have the funds to do the precautionary work, called for in its 2005 authorization bill.

The agency said it is technically feasible to meet the congressional goal of identifying most small "near Earth objects" by 2020, but it said it would have to rely on telescopes built for other purposes and on spacecraft being developed by other agencies. It did not address who would fund research on ways to destroy or divert an asteroid before it became a danger.

"Due to current budget constraints, NASA cannot initiate a new program at this time," said the report, obtained by The Washington Post.

The NASA document was immediately criticized by the chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.).

"We are still reviewing the report, but it's clear that NASA's recommended approach isn't a credible plan to achieve the goal specified in the NASA Authorization Act," he said in a statement. "The Committee will continue to pursue this issue in the coming year with the goal of obtaining a more responsive approach."

The chairman of this week's Planetary Defense Conference, William Ailor of the Aerospace Corp., a nonprofit established by Congress to support the Air Force's space defense program, said scientists generally agree that the risk to Earth from large asteroids is small. Researchers have identified more than 700 of these potential "planet killers" -- out of an estimated 1,000 -- and found that not one is on a collision course with Earth.

"But with the smaller ones, the asteroids in the [150-yard] range, we're finding more and more," Ailor said yesterday. "They're hard to detect, and it's hard to predict where they are headed, but they can do a great deal of damage." NASA estimates that there are as many as 100,000 of the smaller asteroids in near-Earth orbit and that about 20 are "potentially hazardous."

The most recent significant asteroid to crash into Earth hit Tunguska, Siberia, in 1908. It exploded , with the force of a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and created a blast area 62 miles across.

Pete Worden, director of NASA's Ames Research Center and keynote speaker of the conference at George Washington University, said a similar asteroid landing on Washington would destroy the city and most of its suburbs. He said researchers have calculated the risk of "death by asteroid" to be about the same as dying in an airplane crash if you fly once a year. That calculation includes both the likelihood that the event will happen and the number of people who would be killed if it did.

Worden said it would probably cost about $1 billion to meet the congressional goal of identifying by 2020 90 percent of near-Earth asteroids 150 yards or more in diameter. "We know how to find objects most likely to be a problem," he said. "But we do not yet have congressional funding to move ahead."

But in a report released to Congress yesterday, the space agency said it does not have the funds to do the precautionary work, called for in its 2005 authorization bill.

The agency said it is technically feasible to meet the congressional goal of identifying most small "near Earth objects" by 2020, but it said it would have to rely on telescopes built for other purposes and on spacecraft being developed by other agencies. It did not address who would fund research on ways to destroy or divert an asteroid before it became a danger.

Due to current budget constraints, NASA cannot initiate a new program at this time," said the report, obtained by The Washington Post.

The NASA document was immediately criticized by the chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.).

"We are still reviewing the report, but it's clear that NASA's recommended approach isn't a credible plan to achieve the goal specified in the NASA Authorization Act," he said in a statement. "The Committee will continue to pursue this issue in the coming year with the goal of obtaining a more responsive approach."

The chairman of this week's Planetary Defense Conference, William Ailor of the Aerospace Corp., a nonprofit established by Congress to support the Air Force's space defense program, said scientists generally agree that the risk to Earth from large asteroids is small. Researchers have identified more than 700 of these potential "planet killers" -- out of an estimated 1,000 -- and found that not one is on a collision course with Earth.

"But with the smaller ones, the asteroids in the [150-yard] range, we're finding more and more," Ailor said yesterday. "They're hard to detect, and it's hard to predict where they are headed, but they can do a great deal of damage." NASA estimates that there are as many as 100,000 of the smaller asteroids in near-Earth orbit and that about 20 are "potentially hazardous."

The most recent significant asteroid to crash into Earth hit Tunguska, Siberia, in 1908. It exploded , with the force of a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and created a blast area 62 miles across.

Pete Worden, director of NASA's Ames Research Center and keynote speaker of the conference at George Washington University, said a similar asteroid landing on Washington would destroy the city and most of its suburbs. He said researchers have calculated the risk of "death by asteroid" to be about the same as dying in an airplane crash if you fly once a year. That calculation includes both the likelihood that the event will happen and the number of people who would be killed if it did.

Worden said it would probably cost about $1 billion to meet the congressional goal of identifying by 2020 90 percent of near-Earth asteroids 150 yards or more in diameter. "We know how to find objects most likely to be a problem," he said. "But we do not yet have congressional funding to move ahead."

One of the major recommendations of the Planetary Defense Conference is to reconsider plans to close the National Science Foundation's Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico. The scientists said the large instrument is especially useful in identifying the orbits of asteroids closest to Earth and that its loss would be a blow to asteroid-tracking efforts.

Both the NASA report and the conference tackled the technically complicated and emotionally charged question of how to deflect an asteroid. NASA concludes that the most effective way would be detonating a nuclear bomb nearby -- a tactic the agency rated 10 to 100 times more effective than other possibilities.

But sending a nuclear device into space carries risks, which led to NASA's conclusion that firing an unarmed missile to physically knock the asteroid off course is the most "mature" technology. It also described as potentially promising the concept of a "gravity tractor" -- a satellite that would orbit near the asteroid and would, through its gravitational pull, change the asteroid's trajectory.

NASA has no plans to test any of these possibilities, but the European Space Agency has been working since 2000 on an asteroid-deflection project called the "Don Quijote" mission. Ian Carnelli, of ESA's advanced concepts team, said the plan includes launching two spacecraft at an asteroid -- one to measure orbit and physical characteristics, and a second to hit it. Carnelli said ESA members will decide next year whether they want to fund the first stage of the project.

Most asteroids are in a belt between Mars and Jupiter, but some are knocked out of that region and head toward Earth's orbit. Asteroids, which were discovered about 200 years ago, are generally either solid rock or loose piles of rubble. Part of NASA's mission is to learn more about their physical characteristics so they can be deflected or destroyed, if necessary.

The United States sent a space probe to the large asteroid Eros in 2001. Japan landed a probe on the small asteroid Itokawa in 2005.

© 2007 The Washington Post Company

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17540361/

SevenUp!
03-10-2007, 11:43am
Thanks for the update Andrew....all kinds of possibilities.

ELEANOR MAW
03-10-2007, 1:52pm
Apparently lots of small thing crash to earth everyday from out of space.

Troll
03-10-2007, 1:54pm
Apparently lots of small thing crash to earth everyday from out of space.

That is true.

ELEANOR MAW
03-10-2007, 2:03pm
Just hope one dose not land on my head before I am 90. past 90 I don't think I will bother.

Paul
03-10-2007, 2:12pm
Guess you seen the movie, eh?:p

Yeah we have Bruce Willis, we'll be ok. :p