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Marine
02-24-2006, 5:56pm
Vienna. A court in Vienna has sentenced British historian David Irving to three years imprisonment for violating Austrian laws which make it illegal to deny the Holocaust. Despite pleading guilty, the 67-year old Irving appeared surprised by the sentence, calling it "shocking”. His lawyer says they’ll appeal.
In his defence, Irving tried to put Austrian (and German) laws banning Nazi activities and Holocaust denial on trial, saying it should be left up to historians and not governments to define historical records. State prosecutors countered this argument saying that Irving has cynically misused and abused his right to free expression in order to dismiss some of the worst crimes and atrocities of the 20th century.

Irving was arrested last November in Styria on a warrant dating back to 1989 when he addressed a right-wing fraternity in Vienna. During that speech he stated that Hitler was unaware of the extent to which violence was being used against European Jews during the Second World War.

Some of Irving’s critics, however, say they fear his jail term could transform him into a martyr for neo-Nazis.



http://www.wienerzeitung.at/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4082&Alias=wzo&cob=220367

Now, don't get me wrong. I hate Nazis and neo-Nazis probably more than any single group or belief system in this world. It makes me smile when I read of them being violently beaten in news stories.

However, to get to the point...the state shouldn't intervene in free speech like this in such a manner; no matter how tasteless, vile, and hateful or inconsiderate it may be. I'd rather see this guy get the crap kicked out of him by some angry citizens, than oppressed by the government. Any government.

Marine
02-24-2006, 5:58pm
And stuff like this isn't only happening in Austria. But close enough, it would seem...


DUESSELDORF, Germany (Reuters) - A German court on Thursday convicted a businessman of insulting Islam by printing the word "Koran" on toilet paper and offering it to mosques.

The 61-year-old man, identified only as Manfred van H., was given a one-year jail sentence, suspended for five years, and ordered to complete 300 hours of community service, a district court in the western German town of Luedinghausen ruled.

The conviction comes after a Danish newspaper printed cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad -- sparking violent protests around the world from Muslims who saw the images as sacrilegious and an attack on their beliefs.

Manfred van H. printed out sheets of toilet paper bearing the word "Koran" shortly after a group of Muslims carried out a series of bomb attacks in London in July 2005. He sent the paper to German television stations, magazines and some 15 mosques.

Prosecutors said that in an accompanying letter Manfred van H. called Islam's holy book a "cookbook for terrorists."

He also offered his toilet paper for sale on the Internet at a price of 4 euros ($4.76) per roll, saying the proceeds would go toward a "memorial to all the victims of Islamic terrorism."

The maximum sentence for insulting religious beliefs under the German criminal code is three years in prison.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20060223/ts_nm/crime_religion_germany_dc_1

And people from overseas cite the United States as uncouth for allowing the ownership of firearms; and then there is this. That is simpy barbaric, and unnacceptable in a free world. I am repulsed and disgusted.

Troll
02-25-2006, 6:30pm
Very interesting.