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shaniatfan
06-29-2006, 1:22am
according to a member of the STNAOFC
(DOC BILL)
Sirius radio just reported that contrary to what has been reported Shania Twain will NOT be releasing any new music this year. And so we go.
http://www.shaniafans.com/mb/showthread.php?t=19828&page=3&pp=15 (post #38, page 3)
IMO, i'm not too sure it is true, it's just one person saying so and nothing has definatly been announced so lets cross our fingers and hope the other side to this is true.
But, also Mercury could be holding the big news until they finish the promotion on Julie Roberts b/c big Shania news could cause people to overlook Julie and Mercury probably don't want that b/c Julie has alot of potential and could be one of their top sellers in the near future, if promoted right. IMO
***Also remeber Sirus Radio is the party line at Mercury
wow7354
06-29-2006, 1:55am
HOwever, the video shoot is a sign of new music
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 2:41am
Until an official announcement is made - that's the only conclusion to draw.
...silence before the storm...
John - ;)
in this case the source is Mercury, who said after newslets e-mails and questions to them, that there is no new Shania music in the horizont.
Is that official? Who knows, but ....it looks less optimistic now.
Because if not by the end if this year, than perhaps no new music till middle next year.
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 3:13am
...and just how far is the horizon..? ;)
This year, or next year... patience is always rewarded...
...and the longer they polish the diamond - the more brightly it will shine.
...but, just in case: better put on some protective glasses...
John - :cool:
EilleenTwain88
06-29-2006, 3:17am
Perhaps the Mercury just ment that not from THEM is coming any new music of Shania... or maybe this is just wishfull thinking...
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 3:24am
... or maybe this is just wishfull thinking...
I gotta say: I like your thinking.
John - :p
This year, or next year... patience is always rewarded...
...and the longer they polish the diamond - the more brightly it will shine.
yeah, but timing is extreamly important....
And till they're polishing, and polishing and polishing the trends can change again. As it happened to "UP!"
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 3:33am
yeah, but timing is extreamly important....
And till they're polishing, and polishing and polishing the trends can change again. As it happened to "UP!"
...you, of course, are right again... - Timing *is* everything. :)
:sad: - ...I was so hoping for Shania to do a duet with Lordi (http://www.lordi.org)...
..."The Beauty & The Beast", anyone..? ;)
John - :p
EilleenTwain88
06-29-2006, 3:43am
yeah, but timing is extreamly important....
And till they're polishing, and polishing and polishing the trends can change again. As it happened to "UP!"
If you ARE after trendy result, that is. But they have always been more like doing their own of thing type to me? I know that you and me have different opinions on this, and that is ok..
IMO that even though they ended up succesfull, it was not because they were trendy - it is hard to remember now what the trendy country music sounded like in the early 90s, but it was nothing like TWIM?? :funny: - but because they were different.
It is the FANS who are more waiting for number one radio hits and diamond records from them. I just wish the next record is different in a way they felt good making it - the sales part doesn't interest me that much.
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 3:52am
Seems like I'm stuck between you two again... ;)
Trends - yes, I too believe Shania & Mutt ARE trend-setters & do their own thing. (being original is a risk, but can bring the greatest reward)
Are people right now tired about the current mainstream offerings & ready for something new..? - I'd say they've been ready for quite some time...
There's always the danger of something else appearing on the radar simultaneously - and that could take some wind out of the sails... but, is popularity/sales the only way to measure what the music is worth to the listener..? - I would hope not...
When the artist is satisfied with the end results - that's good enough for me.
John - :)
shania megafan
06-29-2006, 4:37am
mmm... I don't think this is true. Actually no one knows anything "official" :dunno: But I'm quite positive and I think that she's gonna release her album this year :)
If you ARE after trendy result, that is. But they have always been more like doing their own of thing type to me? I know that you and me have different opinions on this, and that is ok..
IMO that even though they ended up succesfull, it was not because they were trendy - it is hard to remember now what the trendy country music sounded like in the early 90s, but it was nothing like TWIM?? - but because they were different.
It is the FANS who are more waiting for number one radio hits and diamond records from them. I just wish the next record is different in a way they felt good making it - the sales part doesn't interest me that much.
The answer is yes and no.
Both TWIM and COO came out in a period, when music in generally went toward mainstream, that was the key for the huge success and popularity of both albums.
TWIM connected country again with the mainstream after a period of vaacum, and COO ruled the mainstream.
UP! came out in a period, when the trend changed to the opposite direction, country went to pseudo-traditional, pop disappeared, and urban music became the new meanstream. Which left the album being out of touch musically. That's my opinion.
Now, even if Shania and Mutt are trend-setters and artists, you can't deny the fact that they at the same time going for commercial success too, as Shania declared not once.
In that meaning, the musical environment is important for an album success. Not only for the general public, but even for the fans too.
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 7:02am
...and as everyone can see: making it in the music biz isn't what one would call "an exact science"...
"...formula..? ...what formula..?!?" - X
John - ;)
whatever.
But the fact is, that most of us here, especially the European fans would never heard about Shania, if COO was not so extreamly popular. So popularity/sales still are an important factor, not only artistry.
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 8:14am
I wholeheartedly agree - the same thing with The Beatles.
John - :)
captainCorr
06-29-2006, 8:19am
I'm staying positive, there will be a new album at the end of the year.
After Mercury's incompetence the last 'few' years, they don't get my trust easily..
It may be postponed because of the WoF ceremony (releasing the album around the same time), or Shania & Mutt moving to NZ, or unexpected 'problems' with the album, or just not true at all....We'll see in a month or 2..:)
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 8:24am
I'm staying positive
:D:up: - That's the spirit..!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" - Winston Curchill
John - :)
captainCorr
06-29-2006, 8:37am
Plus....Before the release of "Up!" Mercury purposely leaked stuff, I think they will do it differently this time.. just by holding on no album will be released this year. And then, at the very last moment, announce that there will be a new album and a new single, which will be released in a month or so..:p
I know, longshot, but still....;)
My opinion only, but to release the album together with WoF is a very cheap thing, and if its true, it says nothing good about the promotion for the new album.
So I hope it won't happen.
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 9:01am
:uhh:
...but talking about Mercury... boy, would it be fun to work for their Misleading Information Department... :uhh:
...and give out some facts... ;)
...and do we believe them..? - HELL, NO..!!! :funny:
...or do we..? :really:
John - :p
shaniatfan
06-29-2006, 9:15am
as i said i don't believe it either, mostly b/c it is just that one person who said anything and they could have mis-understood what they said in some way.
...and just how far is the horizon..? ;)
This year, or next year... patience is always rewarded...
...and the longer they polish the diamond - the more brightly it will shine.
...but, just in case: better put on some protective glasses...
John - :cool:
That is so true.
EilleenTwain88
06-29-2006, 11:26am
But the fact is, that most of us here, especially the European fans would never heard about Shania, if COO was not so extreamly popular. So popularity/sales still are an important factor, not only artistry.
At some point of any successful career it is necessity. After that it looses its meaning from the artist's career point of view. COO success will probably never be beaten - not by Shania or anybody - since the industry is turning away from album sales to a single song downloads.
Therefore I am whishing them more relaxed sort of music making from now on. Up! is still better selling album compared to other country albums released in the same year. Despite the controversy reaction it faced in US country fans. But from the pop/rock perspective it was also interesting concept and brought her more fans from over here. Worth the try.
They have come to the situation that no way they can please everybody of their old fans, so they might as well forget it and enjoy. :D
FinnFreak
06-29-2006, 11:30am
That's what I was saying when refering to The Beatles.
John - ;)
bambas
06-29-2006, 11:44am
Nice theory, but with Mutt's obsession of crafting the perfect hits hard to imagine a turn to releasing albums with a less commercial effect like ST Pepper's, The White Album or Abbey Road were.
And actually that's what I would like to hear from Shania.
EilleenTwain88
06-29-2006, 12:43pm
Well it can be that after a career like that (something like 80% of the albums he produced - any genre or singer or decade - has had a Number 1 ín US or Europe or both!) it is hard to aim lower.
But still reading them descriptions of him making albums, I have rarely heard him talking about the commercial side of it? Just to make them work hard and to perfection doesn't always have to be for making more money. It can be done just for the satisfaction it brings to all in the end.
So I still disagree that all people making well in the world are materialists and making their thing for money. Life ain't that simple. There are people working hard all their lives for money and still not making it... and then there are people who get more money than they care for just by having fun with what they do. Ce's la Vie.
What it mean to aim lower? Not every #1 songs are worthy, and not every song which never hit #1 aren't worthy. I don't say he hasn't write a lot of great songs, but also a lot of not so great ones. Like Party For 2 hardly can be called a great song and not even a hit song. UP! did not had any #1 song.
Sometime a hit not that a great song, and a great song never becomes a hit. And sometimes the will writing hits avoids to write a great song.
TwainMan
06-29-2006, 1:38pm
What it mean to aim lower? Not every #1 songs are worthy, and not every song which never hit #1 aren't worthy. I don't say he hasn't write a lot of great songs, but also a lot of not so great ones. Like Party For 2 hardly can be called a great song and not even a hit song. UP! did not had any #1 song.
Sometime a hit not that a great song, and a great song never becomes a hit. And sometimes the will writing hits avoids to write a great song.
Album UP! had #1`s in some countries and #2-3, too.
Where? Not in the US, not in UK, maybe Ka-Ching! in Germany? That's really not big enough. I am talking about big markets, not unimportant ones.
The best the album got was ka-Ching!'s #2 on the European single chart, that's it. In the US it had only a top 20 hit beside country charts.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is, that a perfect polish is not everything, and it should help the song, but not become the most important.
It's not official and nothing official was said before it. I don't see any harm in us being optimistic, or realistic ;)
I hope something will happen for the end of the year but I'm not going to get upset if nothing does.
illinishaniafan
06-29-2006, 4:31pm
The Mercury album release list has been issued to the press, just today in fact, and my source at Billboard (Phyllis Stark) reports that Shania is not on it.
Maybe Mercury wasn't lying. I guess that leaves hope for the winter release period, if there is one.
captainCorr
06-29-2006, 4:42pm
The Mercury album release list has been issued to the press, just today in fact
Of which quarter/part of the year if I may ask? :)
EilleenTwain88
06-29-2006, 4:53pm
What it mean to aim lower?
I meant that maybe it is hard for a person like that to delibarately write a song that would NOT to be liked or NOT to sell at all. Like really think that I do it this and that in order it won't sound "too good" or polished?
I assume that these people just do their thing the way it feels right. They got to. Otherwise (if they started to worry about the sales part already in the studio) nothing would ever get done? Sometimes it hits big time and sometimes not.
In Up! I'm sure he liked the sound himself (as she did), otherwise it would have never hit the shelves of the stores... Did they KNOW that it will be a little too much to US market (and didn't care since it was something they wanted to do), did they think it would be loved all over the world (and were disappointed when it didn't) or what...
Like reading John Lennon talking about Abby Road... he most certainly was NOT making "non-commercial album" at the time. He condirered it to be their best album ever... and was rather disappointed and surprised when the audience didn't think so.
That is one thing which would be rather interesting to hear from Mutt himself.. has he predicted the hits from the albums correctly or are there many big surprises along these years?
Anyways I think if I were a songwriter and singer - it would be a drag to travel all around the world to promote an album. Like to you it is totally old news all over and still you have to sound enthusiastic about it. I do projects as my work and there is NOTHING more tiresome than to think and talk about old projects... the fun part is the start and the doing... documentation and lessons-learnt... pah. ;)
The Mercury album release list has been issued to the press, just today in fact, and my source at Billboard (Phyllis Stark) reports that Shania is not on it.
Maybe Mercury wasn't lying. I guess that leaves hope for the winter release period, if there is one.
Thanks for the update.
I agree that timing is important but I am now looking at this in a very selfish way. If a new album were to come out this November, the tour would probably follow in May or June of 2007. That means the presales could well be in February or March. As we will be away for all of February and March, that means I couldn't buy tickets. I guess I could count of some friends to buy tickets for me but I am usually pretty good at getting good seats so I would prefer to have a crack at it myself. So if the album doesn't come out until 2007, that delays the tour considerably.
Anyway, we will see. I don't put much faith in any casual remarks made in the press.
And I also don't care if an album is trendy or not. All I care about is whether I like it. There is no point in a trendy album that I do not enjoy.
captainCorr
06-29-2006, 6:28pm
I agree that timing is important but I am now looking at this in a very selfish way. If a new album were to come out this November, the tour would probably follow in May or June of 2007.
For all we know the tour would be in Sept/Oct '07 (a year after the release, just like with "Up!")..;)
shaniatfan
06-29-2006, 8:09pm
The Mercury album release list has been issued to the press, just today in fact, and my source at Billboard (Phyllis Stark) reports that Shania is not on it.
Maybe Mercury wasn't lying. I guess that leaves hope for the winter release period, if there is one.
I don't think there is one, simply because the forth quarter schedule runs from october to december, i guess are ony hope is a early album release next year like January or Febuary, and hopefully we get new music by this fall (such as a single) like in october or november
bambas
06-29-2006, 10:27pm
meant that maybe it is hard for a person like that to delibarately write a song that would NOT to be liked or NOT to sell at all. Like really think that I do it this and that in order it won't sound "too good" or polished?
we really not talking about the same things.
First of all there is a difference between a song being polished or good. All Mutt's songs are polished, but not all of them that good.
Secondly, there is also a difference in what the weight one puts in that hte song will be likeable and commercially a potentional hit. I think Mutt (and Shania too) sometimes put too much weight on this. Which takes away something from the song. I felt this with certain songs on UP!, and from the GH.
And I don't see it from the point of view of theirs, but mine, as for me more important if I like the music they're put out and not what they are thinking about. (Otherwise I would not be a fan after reading the Rolling Stone article)
For example Shania stated she likes best the blue version of "When You Kiss Me". I still think that's weird one.
bambas
06-29-2006, 10:34pm
i guess are ony hope is a early album release next year like January or Febuary, and hopefully we get new music by this fall (such as a single) like in october or november
Unfortunatelly a january-february release is not that likely (but not impossible) because the markets are slow, and that can "kill" the album, and mainly because they probably are in MZ in that times of the year. Since they have to be there each year for a certain amount of time, that's the best time. It's summer there and everything.
So may guess is there will be no new album before may 2007, if not this year.
For all we know the tour would be in Sept/Oct '07 (a year after the release, just like with "Up!")..;)
That is a good point.
jgb 15
06-29-2006, 11:53pm
Seriously though if Shania was not gonna release or there was a delay she would have it posted at the official site. You cant tell me her site would be that lazy not to or even for Shania to release the news. If there is any truth to Docs statement we should have been told by now you dont wait especially when we all are discussing it at this very moment.
I dont want to burst my bubble I dont think this alligation has enough backup... to say it and be able to have proof is a whole different story.
yeah, but timing is extreamly important....
And till they're polishing, and polishing and polishing the trends can change again. As it happened to "UP!"
I do not think that is what happened to UP! Themed playlisted RADIO and TV music channels are what happend to UP! The public can not purchase what they do not hear on North American TV and Radio...
UP!'s sales were further damaged by poor reviews in some countries, as music journals and critics continue the steady decline in standards which has been going on for decades.
I love your thinking too John, and I will wait for as long as it takes.. :love:
bambas
06-30-2006, 12:31am
Sorry, but UP! did not sold, because simple it was not liked by the general music buying public, as were her earlier cds.
That album, contrary to TWIM and COO did not had the word of mouth effect. She was in the Superbowl and other performances, peole knew she was out there. it simple did not worked.
As far as bad reviews, well COO did not had better reviews it never stopped yet.
Simple UP! did not geenerated the same interest as the other albums.
Of course we will wait, the only question is, how long we will...
Shania and Mutt will put out a new album when they are ready. It is more important to get it right than to get it out fast.
In the meantime, there are lots of other artists putting out music that we can enjoy. For me personally, the Dixie Chicks' new album is the best album I have heard in a very long time. Interestingly, no one can accuse them of trying to put out a commercial hit - their lyrics are raising a lot of ire, they have stated they are out to put out the best product they can regardless of how popular it is, they are only interested in having fans who "get it". Maybe there is a lesson there. Both the Chicks and Shania are extremely rich and do not need more money. Up until now Shania has aimed to please as many people as possible. The Chicks have shown that, freed of the tyranny of trying to be popular, an artist can really rise to creative heights.
Sorry, but UP! did not sold, because simple it was not liked by the general music buying public, as were her earlier cds.
That album, contrary to TWIM and COO did not had the word of mouth effect. She was in the Superbowl and other performances, peole knew she was out there. it simple did not worked.
As far as bad reviews, well COO did not had better reviews it never stopped yet.
Simple UP! did not geenerated the same interest as the other albums.
Of course we will wait, the only question is, how long we will...
I strongly disagree with all of the above. CD sales are slumping year on year. But if you can help write a better CD than UP! you are welcome to try.
SHANIANUTS!
06-30-2006, 1:19am
Seriously though if Shania was not gonna release or there was a delay she would have it posted at the official site. You cant tell me her site would be that lazy not to or even for Shania to release the news. If there is any truth to Docs statement we should have been told by now you dont wait especially when we all are discussing it at this very moment.
I dont want to burst my bubble I dont think this alligation has enough backup... to say it and be able to have proof is a whole different story.What official Shania site?
We find out more faster here or at the shaniaboards than anywhere else in the world.
The official Mercury site and the official fan club site are NEVER uptodate.
I strongly disagree with all of the above. CD sales are slumping year on year. But if you can help write a better CD than UP! you are welcome to try.
If you want to believe that UP! sold not so well only because the radio in the US, go ahead.
The truth is, the fact the album was not liked by general music buying public says nothing about the quality of the album, but more the fact, that it did not meet the general taste at that point of time. And that is a question of timing.
EilleenTwain88
06-30-2006, 1:54am
If you want to believe that UP! sold not so well only because the radio in the US, go ahead.
The truth is, the fact the album was not liked by general music buying public says nothing about the quality of the album, but more the fact, that it did not meet the general taste at that point of time. And that is a question of timing.
Isn't that funny? You are accusing them of writing an album which didn't please the buying audience at the same time when you accuse them of pleasing them too much..??
I think you are making it too complicated and them blaming them for everything, eh? ;) ! I think that they just tried something new (and maybe Mutt got too much time on his hands at the moment and over-did-it with the Blue CD) and were pleased themselves. What happened after that in sales is old news to them... more important to fans and record label than to themselves? IMO they did that polished sound to please themselves; if it just so happens that some people like as well - swell. If not all liked it - bummer.
Well of course she started her career by pleasing her buying audience (not critics or Nashville) so of course it is important to her to make songs that are liked. And in Up! are MANY songs that will live forever and always - of which she can be proud of. As of Don't! in GH.
And I have said this before; it is unfair to compare sales of Up! to COO. It should be compared to other CDs of that year.
Well, according to Shania, that more polished sound was more Mutt. She said it clearly after her first performance of FAFA with AKUS. I will look for the exact quote, but it was like: This big glossy sound is more Mutt, I am more a folky kind of singer.
And I am sure, it was the main reason for UP! Close and Personal.
During the UP! tour, many of the songs from UP! simple vanished from the setlist, and they weren't more dominate, thanthe two other album. I think it had its reasons too.
Isn't that funny? You are accusing them of writing an album which didn't please the buying audience at the same time when you accuse them of pleasing them too much..??
Actually there is no a total contradiction there. They did not succeded, because they're tried it too hard. A lot of reviews said, one of the problems were, that they're tried to please too many. And maybe they were right about it.
Now you say, they can do whatever they want, they don't have to please all the fans. They did it with UP! in a certain way: their decision was to try and please everyone.
My personal opinion, that we can't think about this that when something work less good is because of the radio, media, critics, whatever. The Langes are the part of all this. In the COO era they made no mistakes. In the UP! and GH era they made a couple
of mistakes which are contributed too to the outcome.
[QUOTE=Roger]
It is more important to get it right than to get it out fast.
I think that is the best thing to tell yourself and other people. The Dixie Chicks said that their album had to be right they weren't afraid of losing fans if they did. That's was one of the things I think we all need to grasp and I dont understand why critics always bash her for that she releases when the music finally feels right. You can worry all you want but the artist is making the record.
I agree it is very important I am not really worried music is a process that gets done when it's done. You can write your songs and know the tracks you want more importantly the music is major, the way you present the whole thing.
What official Shania site?
We find out more faster here or at the shaniaboards than anywhere else in the world.
The official Mercury site and the official fan club site are NEVER uptodate.
Don't forget http://www.shaniatwaincentre.com there news section was updated today, I was watching Tracy as she did it :D
FinnFreak
06-30-2006, 7:34am
page 2 of this thread:
Now, THAT was some interesting opinions and views on previous projects... to base future predictions on..? :huh:
;) - heh...
In fact, after the first airing of IGGG... I was then initially a bit let down hearing the rest of the album, that the remaining of Üp! wasn't "polished" more than it was... at first, to me, it seemed a bit toned down... but after a few more listens, I came to appreciate it's more personal approach & noticed, how more mature it was compared with Shania's previous releases... I still find more warmth in it... a failure..? - Compared to COO..? - ONLY in the massive sales numbers, ONLY there. Otherwise, it's a remarkable piece of work... that in the years to come, will be looked at as a significant gem in the Shania Twain catalog of works.
It proudly represents - at that time - where Shania, as a songwriter, was.
...and I have faith, that it's only going to get better.
John - ;)
captainCorr
06-30-2006, 8:22am
For the record, Up! sold very well.... Of course it could've been better, but Up! sold a lot better than most albums released that time, there were only a handful of albums that outdid Up! (like Norah Jones' Come Away With Me)..but like I said: only a handful. Over 12 million these days is QUITE an accomplishment. :smirk:
I don't think music taste has anything to do with faith...
Some like drumm-mashines, synthetizators and sterile sound and some not.
Some like steel-guitars, fiddles and mandolins, and some not.
It's not official and nothing official was said before it. I don't see any harm in us being optimistic, or realistic ;)
I hope something will happen for the end of the year but I'm not going to get upset if nothing does.I feel the same way. Nothing was confirmed before, and nothing is confirmed now either. There have been several so called hopeful signs, but before those signs appeared the word was release next year. So we will wait and see what happens, as always.
The Mercury album release list has been issued to the press, just today in fact, and my source at Billboard (Phyllis Stark) reports that Shania is not on it.
Maybe Mercury wasn't lying. I guess that leaves hope for the winter release period, if there is one.Typically nothing gets released officially before Shania is ready and has scheduled everything in the background.
Or perhaps Shania won't release under Mercury, but another Universal label? I know, slight chance of that, but stranger things have happened. :p
Seriously though if Shania was not gonna release or there was a delay she would have it posted at the official site.What delay? Nothing has been officially confirmed as being a release date, so how can there be a delay?
captainCorr
06-30-2006, 4:03pm
but before those signs appeared the word was release next year.
But that was last year..;)
That is bad... The mercury list published the new releases for this years and Shania is not on that... :shocked: how much time will we have to wait now?
But that was last year..;)I wasn't actually talking about that ;) :)
I don't think music taste has anything to do with faith...
Some like drumm-mashines, synthetizators and sterile sound and some not.
Some like steel-guitars, fiddles and mandolins, and some not.Regardless what they will release, there will be people who will be disappointed, and people who will absolutely love it, and of course plenty of variations in between. Regardless, most all will be happy to get new music, whether that album will become their fave or not.
Just like with UP!, some COO/TWIM fans didn't quite take to that, yet Shania got so many new fans who list UP! as their fave album. The diversity of Shania's fanbase is both positive and somewhat negative, depending how people react. It's mostly up to expectations, people wish for something and have high expectations, so some may be disappointed if their own expectations are not met.
SHANIANUTS!
06-30-2006, 4:40pm
That is bad... The mercury list published the new releases for this years and Shania is not on that... :shocked: how much time will we have to wait now?...perhaps the move to NZ signifies a change of direction in more ways than one..perhaps Mercury is history now and Shania is changing record companies or starting her own..perhaps they bought her contract out...perhaps?!?!
captainCorr
06-30-2006, 4:55pm
....perhaps that's the reason for the delay....
;)
SHANIANUTS!
06-30-2006, 4:56pm
....perhaps that's the reason for the delay....
;)...perhaps elephants can fly...:p
captainCorr
06-30-2006, 5:03pm
Oh but they can (http://www.moviemaze-wallpaper.de/thumbs/7071bfe36754931af8c35999f6fa0201b4c9/dumbo-wallpaper-2.jpg) Bob, they definately can (http://www.moviemaze-wallpaper.de/thumbs/7071bfe36754931af8c35999f6fa0201b4c9/dumbo-wallpaper-2.jpg)....:nod: ;)
...perhaps the move to NZ signifies a change of direction in more ways than one..perhaps Mercury is history now and Shania is changing record companies or starting her own..perhaps they bought her contract out...perhaps?!?!
Well, aren't we all having fun speculating? :rolleyes: :D
Yes, it is possible Shania is changing her record company.....or not. :D
Most people are assuming that that chateau for sale was Shania's. I think it was. Many seem to think that means Shania will live full time in NZ. I myself doubt that. I can see the Langes dividing their time between Canada and NZ....or not. :D
SHANIANUTS!
06-30-2006, 5:27pm
Well, aren't we all having fun speculating? :rolleyes: :D
Yes, it is possible Shania is changing her record company.....or not. :D
Most people are assuming that that chateau for sale was Shania's. I think it was. Many seem to think that means Shania will live full time in NZ. I myself doubt that. I can see the Langes dividing their time between Canada and NZ....or not. :DYou call it fun...some call it agony..:p:D
TwainMan
06-30-2006, 6:23pm
You call it fun...some call it agony..:p:D
You are right. We have not official information. Country Nation said, that there will be new single in the end of the summer and new album in late part of 2006. Czech stylist said, that she will take a part in new video filming.
Now Shania`s album isn`t in Mercury list. Then-who has right information?
I don`t think that Shania will release only single without album.. :uhh:
shaniatfan
06-30-2006, 11:48pm
Now Shania`s album isn`t in Mercury list. Then-who has right information?
I don`t think that Shania will release only single without album.. :uhh:
Maybe Shania will release a single later this year and a new album early next year, but who knows
Maybe Shania is not on Mercury's list because she has left? Maybe she's currently in the process of signing a new deal? Starting her own company? Who knows? Let's just hope that it is something good. ;)
Sooner or later we'll all hear whats officially going to happen but there is all the talk of the video and single so I am fine. We know the album will be later that hasnt changed... new conversation this thread is crazy!
TwainMan
07-01-2006, 5:18am
Yeah, who knows... Was Shania`s album on Mercury list before the release of UP!
UllaCountryGal
07-01-2006, 11:50am
I'm just gonna wait untill it happens, whenever it happens.
FinnFreak
07-02-2006, 10:09am
I don't think music taste has anything to do with faith...
Me neither. :)
Some like drumm-mashines, synthetizators and sterile sound and some not.
Some like steel-guitars, fiddles and mandolins, and some not.
...and some like the whole lot... and why not..? ;)
John - :)
Esther
07-02-2006, 11:26am
...and just how far is the horizon..? ;)
This year, or next year... patience is always rewarded...
...and the longer they polish the diamond - the more brightly it will shine.
...but, just in case: better put on some protective glasses...
John - :cool:
wow.. beautiful words John! :up:
theTWAINfan
07-02-2006, 5:18pm
Where? Not in the US, not in UK, maybe Ka-Ching! in Germany? That's really not big enough. I am talking about big markets, not unimportant ones.
Excuse me, Germany is the third most important music market in the world, straight after the USA and the UK. In fact, there is 20 mio more people in Germany than in the UK, so it really is a much bigger market, only UK is always regarded as more prestigious.
She did not have a number one song in that beautiful and big, important country, but the album hit number one in the overall charts and stayed in, the top 10 for a year - that enough of a hit?
theTWAINfan
07-02-2006, 5:25pm
Oh, just regarding the new album not being on the Mercury list...
As far as I'm concerned, Mutt and Shania have full liberties in the production process and deliver the album when they are ready. Mercury probably don't know the exact date themselves yet.
After changing her publishers, of course there might also be a change of label, we'll have to wait and see.
captainCorr
07-02-2006, 5:28pm
Yes, it's very likely it's like that....They haven't delivered it yet and only when they have and everything is worked out, a date will be set & releaesed..:)
theTWAINfan
07-02-2006, 6:20pm
Yes, it's very likely it's like that....They haven't delivered it yet and only when they have and everything is worked out, a date will be set & releaesed..:)
I don't mean ,that Mercury don't have any clue at all yet, but the release of Up! had to be postponed several times (I think), so this time they probably will wait with any exact dates until everything is set.
so.. it's confirmed or not that shania will be releasing this years a new CD?? I'm in a mess.. now..! :shocked:
captainCorr
07-02-2006, 6:31pm
Nope, not quite yet..
Uh.. that is bad.. And I was almost sure that it was going to be this year... :(
captainCorr
07-02-2006, 6:59pm
No, that's not what I said, I said it's not quite yet confirmed..
TwainMan
07-02-2006, 7:59pm
Excuse me, Germany is the third most important music market in the world, straight after the USA and the UK. In fact, there is 20 mio more people in Germany than in the UK, so it really is a much bigger market, only UK is always regarded as more prestigious.
She did not have a number one song in that beautiful and big, important country, but the album hit number one in the overall charts and stayed in, the top 10 for a year - that enough of a hit?
I totally agree with you, theTWAINfan! UP! was very successful here and in other countries. It stayed for 84 weeks in German charts. It entered the charts on December 2;2002 with #7. It reached #1 on September 1;2003.
It stayed in charts until 28.06.2006....
Switzerland has good market,too.. Album stayed here for 78 weeks(it was #2 8 weeks).
In Austria album was very successful,too... Highest position is #2 from 14.09.2003 to 28.09.2003 :)
said on cmtcanada Rumor has it album comes out this fall!
bambas
07-02-2006, 11:32pm
Now to make some order here, I talked only about singles, aka hits, not album charts. I know very well where hit UP! the album #1 and where not.
And to make it even more clear. never said UP! was a failure, but I've said it did not had hit songs, as did COO. As far as radio play goes, in many important countries the album was received less good than COO, even if it gained in other places.
Now of course hits aren't the most important thing, neither album sales. The best when they are parallel.
No, that's not what I said, I said it's not quite yet confirmed..
Oh sorry... wrong reading:D... Thanks anyway, we hope this can be confirmed as soon as posible! ;)
FinnFreak
07-03-2006, 2:35am
...and let's not forget Mercury's estimation of Üp! being a victim of 100 million illegal downloads...
...to put some perspective on things...
John - ;)
EilleenTwain88
07-03-2006, 12:23pm
In the COO era they made no mistakes. In the UP! and GH era they made a couple of mistakes which are contributed too to the outcome.
I wouldn't call it a mistake to make a album of your own liking instead of one for fans' only? I know it has been the opinion of the critics and many country fans that they were doing it just to please everybody (which was doomed to fail)... But maybe they just were fullfilling their own dream about an album which they had all the time in the world making, eh? Compared to many others that they have (him more than her) done with huge hurry and tight budgets?
Just maybe that sound is EXACTLY what they had been looking for, eh? At least it was different - hard for me imagine them copycating any other artist who is popular at the moment.
Sometimes it hits big time and sometimes not.
And NOBODY knows if Up! would have sold more as Alison Krauss type folky record... I personally doubt that. It might have sold better in US but in total... Näääh.
COO sales is not only about them being genious and all that (sorry to say).. it is also about the golden times of record sales before internet and illegal/free downloads.
I myself doubt that. I can see the Langes dividing their time between Canada and NZ....or not. :D
Roger... :rolleyes: ... you and your Canada... ;)
I personally think that they still live in Switzerland... only changed house.
bambas
07-03-2006, 12:46pm
I wouldn't call it a mistake to make a album of your own liking instead of one for fans' only? I know it has been the opinion of the critics and many country fans that they were doing it just to please everybody (which was doomed to fail)... But maybe they just were fullfilling their own dream about an album which they had all the time in the world making, eh? Compared to many others that they have (him more than her) done with huge hurry and tight budgets?
Just maybe that sound is EXACTLY what they had been looking for, eh? At least it was different - hard for me imagine them copycating any other artist who is popular at the moment.
Sometimes it hits big time and sometimes not.
I did not talked about the album at all, when I've talked about mistakes, though I think the Blue version was really an overdoe, and the UK, NZ and Australia should have got the Green-Red album too.
There were a couple of other things, during the promotion, some misundersteable interviews, to be cought on so easy on the Superbowl, and other things, which in my opinion in th end of the day did hurt the success of the album. And than add the change of menagement and so on. These may all be circumstancial (spl?), but have a cummulative effect.
EilleenTwain88
07-03-2006, 1:12pm
I did not talked about the album at all, when I've talked about mistakes, though I think the Blue version was really an overdoe, and the UK, NZ and Australia should have got the Green-Red album too.
There were a couple of other things, during the promotion, some misundersteable interviews, to be cought on so easy on the Superbowl, and other things, which in my opinion in th end of the day did hurt the success of the album. And than add the change of menagement and so on. These may all be circumstancial (spl?), but have a cummulative effect.
Here here... THIS I agree. When gaining more freedom in making the album musically, they lost in promoting and otherwise handling her career.
If this was done by their own choice, I don't know. Maybe. Perhaps she has an idea about just making music and let others to worry about the rest...?? But Mercury just wanted repeat COO and had absolutely NO IDEA what to do with Up!
I personally don't think that the radio hits (or lacking of them) made such a big deal anymore (they are more important to new and unknown artists) but the two-disk-out-of-three-mess and SuperBOWL lipsynch was not good ideas. I always thought that it was really silly - like she sings live in stadiums all over the world but there it was not possible? I wonder whose idea it was in the first place.. and WHY couldn't she have her own band with her? Is that something they don't allow or what?
What do you mean by Rolling Stone Magazine interview? I am sorry but I don't seem to remember that... what was said in it so that it makes you so uneasy???
Actually she was with her own band on the Superbowl. And I less mind the lip-schyncing, it was maybe the organizers request. But the mistake was, that she was cought on when talking with someone, while her singing came in. That was kinda an unprofessional thing from her side, in my opinion.
In the RS interview she talked about her hidden tapes and the songs there, but she worded it very unfortunate. I know a couple of fans who were really turned out by this:
"The only credit I take for anything is that I work very hard," - Twain says. "Mutt does too. I think I capabl of doing a lot more - I don't even think what I do is my best. But I don't want to make light of it, because the fans like it. I do music that I think can do best on commercial level."
Than add the Time article, where she sounded like want to be everywhere but not here.
I think in her first interviews during the promotion she did came cross as a bit arrogant, and too self-confident, as I see it.
Her interviews in 2003-2005 were much better, relaxed, open, and charmingly honest.
EilleenTwain88
07-03-2006, 1:54pm
Actually she was with her own band on the Superbowl. And I less mind the lip-schyncing, it was maybe the organizers request. But the mistake was, that she was cought on when talking with someone, while her singing came in. That was kinda an unprofessional thing from her side, in my opinion.
Oh? Sorry... I don't watch SuperBOWL and missed her totally there... only seen discussions about it. To me it showed how unexperienced she was in Lip-synching.. :D ...
In the RS interview she talked about her hidden tapes and the songs there, but she worded it very unfortunate. I know a couple of fans who were really turned out by this:
Well. We never know what was actually said and what was the interpretation of the journalist... like when talking carelessly about your commercial success and artistic ambitions, something like that can easily be twisted around.
I find it also possible that she was off the limelight for so long that it took some time to remember WHAT to say in public.. if any of us would talk to reporters most freely, I think most people would sound either arrogant or stupid. It is a totally different story than talking to your friends or family.. the topics must stay quite light and the answers cannot be too deep etc.
It took her some time to remember it, maybe.
Than add the Time article, where she sounded like want to be everywhere but not here.
Which she has confessed to be the truth many times. But every job has its bad sides and limitations... even Super Stardom methinks.
True, but nevertheless it was kinda unprofessional.
I agree with you, and I quite knew what she ment to say, but I did rmember I felt even back than, that she did not came across well in those interviews. Especially not for no-hard-core fans, who did not read almost every earlier interview with her.
People really don't have much tolerance for "complains" of superstars about promotion and such - with all the money they have...
EilleenTwain88
07-03-2006, 2:18pm
True, but nevertheless it was kinda unprofessional.
Well. If I have understood her character somewhat correct - she has kicked her but over this some hundred times... :D ... Mrs Perfectionist playing it safe and see? what happens... :uhh: :banghead:
People really don't have much tolerance for "complains" of superstars about promotion and such - with all the money they have...
Either they need to have. But compared to many others, she has complained quite a little - at least after learning her lesson that it ain't interesting to most people.
I have always wondered about her career in that retrospect that she has like (at least) two totally different lives. The musician and record-making part and then the performing artist part... which is the richness maybe but also like changing your mind and character every other year. If you are performing artist all the time, you "stay tuned" better?
And to combine all that to ordinary life with Mutt and Eja??? I must say that I don't envy her... that is for sure.
BTW, I think the RS interview achieved something else too:
Many fans (like myself) developped since than a slight obsession for hearing those kind of songs of her. It's not accidental, that a fan asked about in the Cityline interview.
And I really hope she will get there, will reveal some of that side of her too, and she will sing them to us, and not giving those songs to others to sing.
EilleenTwain88
07-03-2006, 2:57pm
BTW, I think the RS interview achieved something else too:
Many fans (like myself) developped since than a slight obsession for hearing those kind of songs of her. It's not accidental, that a fan asked about in the Cityline interview.
And I really hope she will get there, will reveal some of that side of her too, and she will sing them to us, and not giving those songs to others to sing.
She is going into that direction already in Up! IMO.
I Ain't Going Down... It Only Hurts When I'm Breathing... even In My Car... many of those songs reveale quite a different and opinionated Woman from the Witty Sassy Girl of TWIM and COO.
I want her dig more deeper (oh well, the archaeologist in me... ;) :p )
FinnFreak
07-04-2006, 3:30am
She is going into that direction already in Up! IMO.
I Ain't Going Down... It Only Hurts When I'm Breathing... even In My Car... many of those songs reveale quite a different and opinionated Woman from the Witty Sassy Girl of TWIM and COO.
The artist *must* grow and mature with the audience.
Or then you just stand still - which is songwriting suicide in the long run.
John - :)
EilleenTwain88
07-04-2006, 3:47am
The artist *must* grow and mature with the audience.
Or then you just stand still - which is songwriting suicide in the long run.
Yes. And how much I love TWIM and COO, I think in a way everything got said and done in those two. And I am glad they didn't do Up! to sound the same anymore.
I think many of us fans want to think that HER favorite genre is exactly our own favorite, eh? The others she is doing just a) please others b) make money c) please Mutt ?? Like country fans want to think that her all time favorite is bluegrass and folk (all she would do if she had a choice), us rock fans think she has really rocky roots (even started her recording career in Toronto with rock/pop), etc.
The truth might be just what she says: she likes to do and mix ALL of them... just herself without any must from anywhere. :D
FinnFreak
07-04-2006, 4:09am
Yes. And how much I love TWIM and COO, I think in a way everything got said and done in those two. And I am glad they didn't do Up! to sound the same anymore.
I remember about a decade ago, being on a certain artist's mailinglist, we eventually got the artist himself to come join us in the cyberspace because of so many fans continuously making a great deal about past glory & hoping for the "good old days to return"... boy, was he pissed. heh. He made his point quite clear, by giving us this nugget of advice:
"STOP LIVING IN THE PAST"
I think many of us fans want to think that HER favorite genre is exactly our own favorite, eh? The others she is doing just a) please others b) make money c) please Mutt ?? Like country fans want to think that her all time favorite is bluegrass and folk (all she would do if she had a choice), us rock fans think she has really rocky roots (even started her recording career in Toronto with rock/pop), etc.
The truth might be just what she says: she likes to do and mix ALL of them... just herself without any must from anywhere. :D
:huh: - hmmm..? I, for one, *don't* have a favorite genre... Wait. Yes I do. It's called "music". heh. :D
Now I'm waiting for a swing album. :]
Not really. :really: - or am I..? ;)
John - :p
EilleenTwain88
07-04-2006, 4:21am
:huh: - hmmm..? I, for one, *don't* have a favorite genre... Wait. Yes I do. It's called "music". heh. :D
I do have several favorites... from Bach to Punk.
But any folk music isn't on my list. I find it really BORING... and that goes to old-time country as well. All the songs sound the same... even the Corrs and AKUS start to **** me off after a while (and then after a couple of months they sound great again - when listened once).
And the Kaustinen Folk Festival (which I HAD to participate in my youth for couple of times) was a NIGHTMARE. I had those violins and harmonicas playing in my head like broken record... couldn't handle it any other way than by being drunk to my skull (and playing and singing myself) all the time. :uhh: :o
FinnFreak
07-04-2006, 4:53am
I do have several favorites... from Bach to Punk.
Bach was a rocker... as was Beethoven... and Mozart was the first Metal composer... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/FinnFreak/ROCKON.gif
But any folk music isn't on my list. I find it really BORING... and that goes to old-time country as well. All the songs sound the same... even the Corrs and AKUS start to **** me off after a while (and then after a couple of months they sound great again - when listened once).
I don't listen that many times to a new album - usually 2 spins, after that I usually go through my collection to listen to something I got reminded of while listening... or, if I specifically know what album or artists were some of an inspiration for it...
And the Kaustinen Folk Festival (which I HAD to participate in my youth for couple of times) was a NIGHTMARE. I had those violins and harmonicas playing in my head like broken record... couldn't handle it any other way than by being drunk to my skull (and playing and singing myself) all the time. :uhh: :o
...awww... you've got an overdose of Kaustinen Folk Music Festival (http://www.kaustinen.net)..? (it starts again next Saturday) :p
Programme in Finnish (http://www.kaustinen.net/data_saitti/liitteet/14415=kaustinenfmf2006.pdf)
...and Värttinä has returned..! :up:
John - :)
EilleenTwain88
07-04-2006, 5:32am
Bach was a rocker... as was Beethoven... and Mozart was the first Metal composer... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/FinnFreak/ROCKON.gif
Which reminded me of an old story. My brother is a music teacher (including music history of course) and one year his students made him (and themselves) a T-Shirt:
Mozart was a drunk
Schubert had a syphilis
Haydn...
Beethoven spent time in a mental hospital...
. (etc, I don't remember them all)
Bach... could bake bread ?
All essential information learnt, methinks. :funny: :huh:
FinnFreak
07-04-2006, 5:53am
...how about this for a t-shirt:
Johannes Brahms
"Wiegenlied", Opus 49 No. 4, 1868
...makes me fall asleep...
...zzz...
John - :p
Shania is free to go anywhere musically she wants. Some (I think) have made it clear on this thread that they like country and western and have little regard for the UP! album despite it's VERY impressive sales in what is now a very different and difficult market place.
I thought UP! was a classic album and look forward to the next one for I just know Shania has not reached her peak, or even anywhere close as a song writer yet.
FinnFreak
07-04-2006, 10:39am
I think many of us agree - and are ready to be amazed some more...
John - ;)
shaniatfan
07-04-2006, 2:08pm
Shania is free to go anywhere musically she wants. Some (I think) have made it clear on this thread that they like country and western and have little regard for the UP! album despite it's VERY impressive sales in what is now a very different and difficult market place.
I thought UP! was a classic album and look forward to the next one for I just know Shania has not reached her peak, or even anywhere close as a song writer yet.
See I love Country and western music and Shania's "UP!" album is one of my favorites but anymore these days which country artist is crossing over to the pop charts Kenny, Keith, Toby, Faith, Carrie, Martina and even George Strait have had songs appear on the pop charts and they are country artist, it's not the artist that is pop it is the music and the fans that crossover (as i have said before)
FinnFreak
07-07-2006, 5:18am
...even more reason to stay away from the OFC run by MT... :uhh:
This isn't news.
John - :smirk:
shaniatfan
07-07-2006, 5:23am
...even more reason to stay away from the OFC run by MT... :uhh:
This isn't news.
John - :smirk:
okay, i wasn't sure i just found it and thought it maybe some sort of reliability, but i guess not, but as i said until Mercury/UMG or Shania makes a public announcement wreather there will be or will not be a new album this year i won't beleive anything completly
FinnFreak
07-07-2006, 5:30am
heh, I'll believe there's a new album, when I'm holding it in my hands... ;)
We'll get it when it's ready... I see no reason to go totally cuckoo over this.
John - :)
shania megafan
07-07-2006, 8:42am
So... no new album this year? :(
Annette
07-07-2006, 9:05am
So sad...:sad:
shaniatfan
07-07-2006, 11:10am
So... no new album this year? :(
Nothing's official yet, it's just another unofficial rumor, nothing is official until Mercury or Shania makes a public announcement about the releasal if a new album
shania don't make announcement, well as far as I know, but I would like she do that now, cuz I'm very nervous, are we able to wait one year more for a new album?? :shocked:....We have one year and it's an eternity... Plz shania don't delay!!:D
The thing is, Shania doesn't make announcements, nor that the album is coming, neither if it's not.
yeah that is so true! :( just we must wait wait and WAIT!
shaniatfan
07-08-2006, 3:03am
The thing is, Shania doesn't make announcements, nor that the album is coming, neither if it's not.
I know, but maybe she could call into a radio show such as Bob Kingsley or Lia Knight and give them something that might help, but it ain't gonna happen. I just wish all this would calm down, but the only way that is going to happen is when someone with OFFICIAL news comes out and says yes or no to a new Shania album this year. But really no matter which way it goes it's only going to get worst
Our only hope now the CMAs, which she probably won't miss.
If there will be no news till than, we can only hope she will say something there about is there new music on its way or not.
Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be
:p
heh, I see even Doris Day is more "visible" these days than Shania...
shaniatfan
07-08-2006, 1:37pm
Our only hope now the CMAs, which she probably won't miss.
If there will be no news till than, we can only hope she will say something there about is there new music on its way or not.
Hopefully there is new news, but we should hear something by then, it would be nice to have a single by then so maybe she can perform, but who knows we'll all have to wait paitently until the new album arrives.
heh, I see even Doris Day is more "visible" these days than Shania...
:funny:
...When Shania will be ready, we'll get new music, until then we can concentrate on being confused when her new music will come out :p
captainCorr
07-08-2006, 3:00pm
With all the time we have to concentrate, we would be crazy by the time it finally has arrived..;)
What do mean we would be crazy, I thought we already are :p :p
captainCorr
07-08-2006, 4:18pm
Oh sorry, I meant mental..:p
SHANIANUTS!
07-08-2006, 5:33pm
heh, I see even Doris Day is more "visible" these days than Shania...For those who don't know who Doris Day is please go here for a great bio:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Doris_Day.jpg/180px-Doris_Day.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3Cimg%20src=%22images/smilies/biggrin.gif%22%20border=%220%22%20alt=%22%22%20tit le=%22Big%20Grin%22%20smilieid=%224%22%20class=%22 inlineimg%22%20/%3Eoris_Day.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Day
She is one of my favorites actresses and singers from my youth.
Oh sorry, I meant mental..:pOh ok, I accept that correction :p
shania megafan
07-08-2006, 6:35pm
If she's not going to release a new album this year.. then why did we have that news about her shooting a video this summer?
I know about Doris Day, and thanks for the pic and the bio link!;)
captainCorr
07-08-2006, 6:42pm
Technically it's not "news", for all we know that's postponed [too], or for all we know it will still happen..
shania megafan
07-08-2006, 6:44pm
Right.. too bad.. I was starting to get excited about a new album this year :( but we never know ;)
Yeah,, that's a pitty!!! :cry:
captainCorr
07-08-2006, 6:47pm
Right.. too bad.. I was starting to get excited about a new album this year :( but we never know ;)
Same here....but I still have hope..;)
SHANIANUTS!
07-08-2006, 6:51pm
If she's not going to release a new album this year.. then why did we have that news about her shooting a video this summer?You just can't trust those Czechs I guess, although the Hungarians nailed it last time...;)
Right.. too bad.. I was starting to get excited about a new album this year :( but we never know ;)There is no reason to be upset. We will or will not have a new album this year, nothing was confirmed one way or another before, nor is it confirmed now. We'll probably know in a month or 2 at the latest if there will be an album out this year, we'll just have to wait :)
Andrew
07-08-2006, 10:49pm
Well, if she doesn't release her album by this November, we will probably have to wait until next November, since that is when she usually releases her albums and record companies usually release the big names then.... I don't want to wait another yeaaaaaaaaar :( :(
Nothing is confirmed but our hopeless are up!:)
shaniatfan
07-09-2006, 2:15am
With all the time we have to concentrate, we would be crazy by the time it finally has arrived..;)
Yea, but by the time it arrives we will all want more than 1 copy we will have to pick up 3 or 4 to spead around or have for ourselves.
captainCorr
07-09-2006, 8:15am
I don't know about that.. ;)
shaniatfan
07-09-2006, 12:33pm
Our only hope now the CMAs, which she probably won't miss.
If there will be no news till than, we can only hope she will say something there about is there new music on its way or not.
Well maybe, we should find something out at the fan convention since a couple of her band members will be there, shouldn't they know about a new album and don't they stay in contact with Shania when not on tour
I want her dig more deeper (oh well, the archaeologist in me... ;) :p )
An archaeologist, hey? Now THAT's deep perspective. I wondered where you get all that good insight sometimes, even though I don't always agree with anyone, including ET88, you, and even myself, after I've had a chance to think further about some things.
I saw the Superbowl on TV. Had no idea ST was lip synching there. In fact, I thought I saw fans on these main ST mb's back then, complaining that the critics were wrong, and that ST was NOT lip synching. I only know about the one superbowl, where she and the band had on these shiny silver outfits. Not my favorite uniforms, but acceptable.
Don't know what WoF is. Sorry, haven't been around enough to notice.
My experience with UP! was consistent with what Marika wrote. Some liked it, some didn't and some were in between. I was a 'tweener. At first, the songs sounded a bit foreign to me, no matter whether red or green album. But as time went by and I heard them a few times, I liked a number of them quite a lot. I think music has a familiarity curve that affects a song's likeability. It's based partly on memory and expectation. Happiness is often fulfillment of expected needs. Surprises can be great too, but they can also be bummers. In fact, I think humans tend to regard strangers and strange things less favorably than friends, acquaintances, and familiar things. It's a very rare song, that is so great, a person loves it the first time they hear it.
I think you make some good points about the impact that timing and environment have, on the release of new music, and it's comparative success. I can't deny that I hope for future ST sucess. However my personal preference is more toward the quality end of the spectrum, rather than speed. And I have credentials back to the early '60's to support that. In my high school graduation book, my classmates officially noted my unparalleled ability to solve almost any problem, but usually a long time after the solution was needed. Solving yesterday's problems, is an underappreciated ability sometimes.
Mizery1
07-09-2006, 2:07pm
Don't know what WoF is. Sorry, haven't been around enough to notice.
Walk of Fame
Walk of Fame
Thanks, Mr Miz.
That fills in the blank for me.
I have a picture somewhere, that I took of Alanb, Lyn & Frenchy at ST's star on what I think was the WoF in Toronto last year.
I got into the Travelodge shortly after the main gang of STC convention goers had headed downtown for the WoF and tour of CMT/Corus TV/radio studios. So I saw Alanb in the lobby and we got acquainted til Lyn and Frenchy got there. Then we caught the bus to the subway, then the subway downtown. As a farm kid, I'm a bit cautious about subways. Can't tell directions underground without the sun, shadows, & moss on north side of trees, etc. So I tend to study up on the maps, names of key stops, and schedules beforehand. Wind up knowing the routes and stops sometimes even better than people who live their whole lives in cities riding subways.
I also have some extra photos and info I got from CMT/Corus folks I talked to after the convention last year. I was hoping to share that about the CMT/Corus tour on these mb's before the convention this year. Somehow I seem to not get around to doing all I'd hoped.
I think you make some good points about the impact that timing and environment have, on the release of new music, and it's comparative success. I can't deny that I hope for future ST sucess. However my personal preference is more toward the quality end of the spectrum, rather than speed.
Me too, but the not so long time-span between TWIM (february 1995) and COO (november 1997) with all the hard promotion in between did not hurt that album. So they can use as much as time they want, but more of time they are using, the anticipation for something really good is growing. And than it's hard to live up that.
EilleenTwain88
07-10-2006, 3:17am
Me too, but the not so long time-span between TWIM (february 1995) and COO (november 1997) with all the hard promotion in between did not hurt that album. So they can use as much as time they want, but more of time they are using, the anticipation for something really good is growing. And than it's hard to live up that.
It is not something they are doing for marketing purposes, rather than a choice of a lifestyle methinks. She doesn't want to do it by short intervals and being on the road or in the studio or promoting all the time? She wants to have normal life in between.
It can be harder (to fans it is most certainly a burden :D) and more risky (people are impatient and new artists are coming all the time.. more difficult to catch the momentum as you say and even the expectations rise) in that way, but it is her choice. She has understood her own limitations and how much she can take it in one period? Or maybe not yet; the Up! tour WAS too long and tired her off - obviously. :(
That is why I say that it is in vain for fans to measure her career and doings to other artists and compare it to what would be the smartest way, like being her managers all the time ;) ? It will just cause frustration and pain to themselves. The best way is to just relax and wait.. and have open mind for the next album.
And I am sure they are grown-up and realistic enough to understand the risks in this kind of different career building. And are prepared of old fans not always liking the new music they do..
It can be harder (to fans it is most certainly a burden :D) and more risky (people are impatient and new artists are coming all the time.. more difficult to catch the momentum as you say and even the expectations rise) in that way, but it is her choice. She has understood her own limitations and how much she can take it in one period? Or maybe not yet; the Up! tour WAS too long and tired her off - obviously. :(
Well, I think after the tour she might understand more her own limitations, hopefully. I would not like to see her hurting her health (especially her vocals)
because of concert obligations, even if it would mean to me to loose a lot of money...
It will just cause frustration and pain to themselves. The best way is to just relax and wait.. and have open mind for the next album.
And I am sure they are grown-up and realistic enough to understand the risks in this kind of different career building. And are prepared of old fans not always liking the new music they do..
I am not talking only about musical directions. Personally (aka this is my opinion only) I think her latest singles with the exception of "Don't" lacked some spark. So yes, I can have open mind about the musical direction, but I have high expectations for the quality of music they can create.
EilleenTwain88
07-10-2006, 5:03am
...but I have high expectations for the quality of music they can create.
In that sense I am rather hopeful because they ARE taking this long pause after GH? Like those songs in that really would be the end of an era and something totally NEW is cooking up..
When thinking from the creative point of view, this break is rather short one (if they in deed would release an album this year)? In TWIM, COO and even in Up! she used material from over 20 years???
The old material in those albums, especially COO and UP! were rather rare, one or two, most of the songs were written contemporarly.
EilleenTwain88
07-10-2006, 5:40am
The old material in those albums, especially COO and UP! were rather rare, one or two, most of the songs were written contemporarly.
I don't mean only the writing part. I am quite sure that many songs sort of build up along the years - before they are ready to "be written". That is why COO was able to be made so fast after TWIM.
Up! took more time to develop and the next one can take even longer.
A writer always writes, but when thinking about writing for a new album we must consider the album as a whole. There might be plenty of songs waiting ready or half ready, but then when it comes to song selection, they have to think if a particular song fits the new album as a whole. And that might make them write more new songs, instead of using already written ones. So in that sense 4 years between studio albums isn't really that, first after UP! there was tour, then the news songs and GH and perfume promotion, and only after that were they actually able to have time for themselves to relax, and perhaps to start writing seriously and slowly thinking about putting together a new album.
I totally agree with you aFinn! and I think that if they're move in NZ, they are increasingly busy....but if we're optimistic we can say that we have one day at least to wait that yesterday....lol :D ;)
A writer always writes,
...,
I do? :p
Even when I'm sleeping? :huh:
Axially, tho you were referring to song writers rather than other types of writers like me, my conscious mind is empty some of the time. Most of the time, it's thinking about ideas of various kinds. Even when I'm sleeping. Some times I wake up and some aspects of life are suddenly clear. My mind can understand everything about whatever topic it's focused on at the moment. Unfortunately, it seems to run out of gas after a few moments, and I'm back to the usual limitations. Although I haven't yet spent much time on writing music, I have had a few dreams about it. So there's hope for me. I ain't dead yet.
As for always writing, if I consider for now, the creative process of writing, I'm not always doing that. I can be easily distracted by many things, including other duties, routine needs, maintenance, obligations, pleasant surprises and diversions, procrastinations, and most quickly of all - annoyances.
shaniatfan
07-10-2006, 11:28pm
A writer always writes
Yep, you got that right, i love to write varities of stuuf from music to poems to short stories, and i never give up, when i got an idea i try to stick with it unless i lose the idea the ni try something else, so no matter what i try to write something it may not always be good but as Kenny Rogers once said everyone can write a song but, not everyone can write a hit song or a perfect song.
I love more writing when I'm dreaming, I can understand my thoughts more than when I'm awake!:p why that? I don't know, just my soul know that:p:p:p
How does that Everly Brothers song go?
"Whenever I WANT you...,
all I have to do...,
is ^dree \eee \eee \eee ^eeam"
My dreams seem simpler and clearer sometimes, than when I'm awake.
Except when I'm having a night-mare.
But that doesn't happen very often.
Only when I eat too much before going to bed.
captainCorr
07-11-2006, 2:15pm
How does that Everly Brothers song go?
"Whenever I WANT you...,
all I have to do...,
is ^dree \eee \eee \eee ^eeam"
.
:funny::funny:
What a coincidence.. (http://www.shaniaforums.com/showthread.php?t=42446)
:funny::funny:
What a coincidence.. (http://www.shaniaforums.com/showthread.php?t=42446)
Oh, the Corrs, hey? A good group.
And Andrea was pretty easy on the eyes, if I remember right.
But since she can probably have any guy she wants,
I doubt she'd have to do much dreaming.
I do? :p
Even when I'm sleeping? :huh: :p Didn't mean literally with a pen in hand at all times :p
"Whenever I WANT you...,
all I have to do...,
is ^dree \eee \eee \eee ^eeam"Oh greatness, now that song in playing in my private little jukebox in my head. :uhh: :p
My dreams seem simpler and clearer sometimes, than when I'm awake.
Except when I'm having a night-mare. Ever had one of those nightmares that continues even though you wake up? Your brain is stuck seeing that film, cannot shake the thoughts. It's a nightmare feeling then. ( :p )
Oh greatness, now that song in playing in my private little jukebox in my head. :uhh: :p
Oops! So solly! (as my oriental friends say) :huh:
I think I have a little juke box in my PC somewhere, but it took me 5 yrs to find it. I think it's part of my Soundblaster Live! suite - Creative Player 2. But I get to indulge in/play around with music so infrequently, that I forget not only how to use all the tools I have, but where most of them are (some still in shrink wrap).
Ever had one of those nightmares that continues even though you wake up? Your brain is stuck seeing that film, cannot shake the thoughts. It's a nightmare feeling then. ( :p )
Hmn..., at first I thought "no, not that I remember." But then I DID remember, that along with the small percentage of dreams that are unpleasant for me, is a similar small percentage of bad ones that are happening when I awoke for the day. And yes, those danged things do tend to be kinda scary for a little while, until the daytime events persist long enough to verify they're more real that the left over feelings from the night dreams before. Btw, this could be a subject for a good song writer. Just in case they had a gap in their "writing all the time." But I forgot whether that's literally or figuratively. :sleep:
FinnFreak
07-12-2006, 10:00am
The thing is, Shania doesn't make announcements, nor that the album is coming, neither if it's not.
That's what will make it such a nice surprise.
John - ;)
Hmn..., at first I thought "no, not that I remember." But then I DID remember, that along with the small percentage of dreams that are unpleasant for me, is a similar small percentage of bad ones that are happening when I awoke for the day. And yes, those danged things do tend to be kinda scary for a little while, until the daytime events persist long enough to verify they're more real that the left over feelings from the night dreams before. For me those usually happen during the night, when I briefly wake up and then go back to sleep. I guess while my body is awake for a moment, my brain is left sleeping and watching the nightmare? :huh:
Btw, this could be a subject for a good song writer. Just in case they had a gap in their "writing all the time." But I forgot whether that's literally or figuratively. :sleep::funny: :funny:
paulclark79
07-12-2006, 2:15pm
I reallllllllllllly hope the new cd comes out this fall. I really don't think I can wait ... I don't care what the reason is. :-) How's that for being understanding!
FinnFreak
07-13-2006, 9:47am
heh.
John - :funny:
I reallllllllllllly hope the new cd comes out this fall. I really don't think I can wait ... I don't care what the reason is. :-) How's that for being understanding!
All of us we'te just like you! We can't expect the moment for the releasing of the new CD. Sometimes I wonder why shania makes us waiting for a long time between one cd and other. Maybe it's a strategy but we can't know that. I hope this year can finish with a new shania cd, even though out hope are finishing. The end of the year is very close and we still don't know anything.:scowl:
Kristian
07-16-2006, 5:54pm
So nobody can confirm this?
captainCorr
07-16-2006, 6:11pm
Only Shania & Mutt themselves..:p
Kristian
07-16-2006, 6:34pm
Only Shania & Mutt themselves..:p
Hopefully :uhh:
My point of view is that it takes time to make a quality album. Now I'm not saying that an artist that puts out an album every year is bad either. Also consider Shania & Mutt are perfectionist and they won't release an album until everything is just so.
jgb 15
07-17-2006, 12:54am
At this point I can say most likely November even though she said the wait wouldnt be as long she never promised it wouldnt. It's what happens she might have very good reasons!
shaniatfan
07-17-2006, 4:05am
Hopefully we get new music by the end of this year or the middle of next year, but who knows with Shania
A lot of reviews said, one of the problems were, that they're tried to please too many. And maybe they were right about it.
Now you say, they can do whatever they want, they don't have to please all the fans. They did it with UP! in a certain way: their decision was to try and please everyone.
I read that in many reviews to and Shania always has a loaded album there is so much to choose from as far as singles for the public to hear. I think "I Ain't Going Down" would have been a great single to release to country radio and it never was. But the thing is everyone liked a bit of everything on the record. Even now at times I go through spurts of liking a different song on the album. Because they gave us the choice of three different versions the music has continued to hold out for the fans even after all the radio singles stopped and the GH singles flopped except PF2 I guess they played it more because it was the first single they gave it it's shot on radio. This was in my area of 93.7 the bull (St. Louis, Mo.) i dont know how it was everywhere but the other singles flopped and I think the public thinks Shania had rusted since Up (the tour has some of that weight to hold) and she released it because she felt the time was right and it was. I think her voice wasnt ready but she had made the decision and stuck to it... with a GH comes new singles!
Hopefully she will be recharged and feeling good she has given us so much. I think it is so good that she doesn't let current music influence her records. She is current in her own genious creations.
I'm awaiting the album no matter what the end result. Better late than never I want them to be happy with the the album.
I read that in many reviews to and Shania always has a loaded album there is so much to choose from as far as singles for the public to hear. I think "I Ain't Going Down" would have been a great single to release to country radio and it never was. But the thing is everyone liked a bit of everything on the record. Even now at times I go through spurts of liking a different song on the album. Because they gave us the choice of three different versions the music has continued to hold out for the fans even after all the radio singles stopped and the GH singles flopped except PF2 I guess they played it more because it was the first single they gave it it's shot [on radio. This was in my area of 93.7 the bull (St. Louis, Mo.) i dont know how it was everywhere but the other singles flopped and I think the public thinks Shania had rusted since Up (the tour has some of that weight to hold) and she released it because she felt the time was right and it was. I think her voice wasnt ready but she had made the decision and stuck to it... with a GH comes new singles!
...,
Your mention of radio is interesting and raises a question for me.
Saw an interesting interview a few days ago, of the head of RIAA. One of the points discussed was the extent to which music is now obtained over the Internet. Sounded like there is a huge decrease in the sales of CD's. However partly as a result of lawsuits against music piracy, and partly due to better marketing of music by the music industry, through the Internet; music sales are picking up. So the trend so feared by record companies (endless decline in sales due to ever increasing music piracy), has been turned around. Sounded like the RIAA was putting some "spin" on the topic. But some of the info sounded credible.
My question is this: how important does radio air play become, as a result of the change from CD's to Internet sale of music? Does radio become more important to the success of an artist's offerings? Less important? Does it remain mostly unchanged? If so, why? Is there some other influence that neutralizes the impact of radio? Such as word of mouth on the Internet?
captainCorr
07-21-2006, 1:02pm
I just remembered..you definately can not trust a record company (for forthcoming album news).
Example: Several enquires about Andrea Corr's forthcoming solo album with Atlantic all came down to this: "no solo album will be released" or "no, it's not true". For example, a production company posted the name of her solo album on their website (which Atlantic didn't know about), a few people asked Atlantic about it and they flatly said it (the name) wasn't true/correct. Then they found out.... I've heard they weren't quite happy with that. Also they want to keep everything very *hush hush*. :scowl:
So....my point is.. it's very likely Mercury is acting the same way. So if Shania has indeed arrived in Canada to shoot a video, well..guess we know what's right and what's not..:smirk:
I have thought that same way from the beginning, to me it doesn't matter that Mercury is saying no release, as they wouldn't even know until Shania hands over a new album, or certainly wouldn't say until they have a confirmed date of delivery and a set release date. So all options are open, whatever happens, happens, we will see.
Yeah, nothing is confirmed now, everything can happen, while shania is working on her new album, all options and rumours are running.
shaniatfan
07-23-2006, 10:56pm
Well hopefully by the STFC we find something out.
Well hopefully by the STFC we find something out.
I doubt that.
captainCorr
07-24-2006, 12:58am
Anything's possible..:)
FinnFreak
07-24-2006, 4:22am
...even the impossible..? ;)
Well, since Finland won the Eurovision Song Contest - nothing's impossible anymore...
John - :p
captainCorr
07-24-2006, 6:47am
Even the impossible..;)
FinnFreak
07-24-2006, 6:50am
...I'll 'Hard Rock Hallelujah' to that..!
John - :D
canoilers
07-28-2006, 7:27am
...even the impossible..? ;)
Well, since Finland won the Eurovision Song Contest - nothing's impossible anymore...
John - :p :shocked: Wait a minute, are you saying its possible for me to date Shania, and here I thought that was impossible. :p
FinnFreak
07-28-2006, 8:21am
Ok - I guess some things are still impossible... I know I am.
John - ;)
canoilers
07-28-2006, 8:33am
Oh bummer, get my hopes up for nothing. I can't believe you set me up just to knock me down like that. :p I know you are impossible, but so am I. :D
Oh well I guess theres still Krista Allen, as far as I know Mr. Clooney hasn't asked yet for her hand, so thats still possible. Yeah I'm sure she'll pick the bum from Alberta over the Hollywood A-lister. Totally possibleZ; what, it could happen. :p
Country Q&A
Week of July 26, 2006
Each week country music expert Neil Haislop answers your questions!
Q: Shania Twain is one of my favorite artists, and her Greatest Hits album is awesome! What's the latest on her? Is she making any new music or taking a break?
(Adrienne, Mobile, AL)
A: Adrienne, good news is that Shania Twain is recording again. She did take quite a bit of time off, but she admits that since her husband, Mutt Lange, is her producer and favorite co-writer, and since they have their own state-of-the-art recording studio, they’re able work on music whenever they want to. Word is that she’s working more steadily now on a new album, with a new single out possibly this fall. No date yet on when a new album will follow.
canoilers
07-28-2006, 10:41am
Thank you Andrew for the news. :D
Yeah, thanx Andrew. This has the ring of truth.
shaniatfan
07-28-2006, 4:13pm
That's great, lets hope we get new music within the next couple months
Tinkerbellpout
07-28-2006, 4:13pm
interesting...I am looking forward to the album!
Thanks for posting that :)
That is an interesting fan interview, we all know and judge that the same.
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