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"Up" was by far my favorite Shania album, but why did it do so poorly? All of the singles were good. (Well, okay. "It Only Hurts When I'm Breathing" probably wasn't exactly the best single in the world...)
There were some things that I wanted to see on the charts, at least in the US (some were European singles). "Ka-Ching". "C'est la Vie" maybe. "Nah" definately. "When You Kiss Me". "I Ain't Goin' Down". There were a lot of good potential singles on the album, but it didn't do that hot. There weren't as many singles as I'd hoped for...
I read today that the total album sales were around 5.5 million, and she only certified diamond because of the double-disc, which equals 2 units per sale. Why didn't it sale?
I love Shania and I bought the album the day it came out. But I was just wondering why it didn't chart as well as COO or TWIM.
Shania's4life!!
12-16-2006, 6:06pm
The airplay charts don't represent quality so I could careless either way.
As far as album sales go, 5.5 million is successful whichever way you look at it, when you consider things like piracy and the fact that albums don't sell 10 Million anymore it is illogical to say that Up! didn't sell well.
The airplay charts don't represent quality so I could careless either way.
As far as album sales go, 5.5 million is successful whichever way you look at it, when you consider things like piracy and the fact that albums don't sell 10 Million anymore it is illogical to say that Up! didn't sell well.
That is so true.
dreamer
12-16-2006, 7:10pm
what was said about her sales is good and the 5.5 mill can no longer be acurate anyway it has been unchanged for years and she is still getting awards for that CD not to mention airplay would mean that her company supported her and djs weren't ssuch bashers!
TwainMan
12-17-2006, 4:36pm
Sorry, but UP! did very good in charts... I did better in Europe. :)
Dannywaldron
12-18-2006, 5:01am
If I remember correctly, UP! reached 5.5million in North America alone. The worldwide sales were much greater (approximately 14million or just short of 28million if you include the double album?!...I'm sure someone will be able to confirm that though).
I also believe that UP! is the second best-selling album worldwide of this decade behind Norah Jones' "Come Away With Me".
There have been numerous threads criticising Mercury records for the "flop" of the album due to their lack of organisation and I agree that it could have sold better if they weren't too busy promoting Terri Clark, then Julie Roberts, and now Sugarland, but the fact is that the increase in piracy has dropped album sales significantly and that the sales of UP! are relatively impressive.
I think fans were just expecting another 38million!
Hope that summarises some of the issues.
Dan
SHANIANUTS!
12-18-2006, 11:46am
...I thought it was 40 million...
captainCorr
12-18-2006, 12:41pm
Actually "Up!" did quite good.. overall it has sold at least 12 million copies to date, which is quite an impressive figure these days. Of course it could have sold much more, but after the 2nd/3rd single, the album wasn't really promoted anymore, plus the timeframe wasn't on her side (illegal downloads, etc.).
So "Up!" was definately a succes! :nod::up:
FinnFreak
12-18-2006, 12:57pm
Exactly.
I believe it was Luke Lewis in a Billboard interview, who claimed that Üp! suffered from 100 million downloads... how he got that figure... is anyone's guess...
John - :dunno:
5.5 million copies sold ONLY?!? of course not!! the information you gave are 100% wrong...
well, the one and only problem with Up! is the single releases... It must've been worldwide for ALL singles including the US... And "Nah" and "I ain't goin' down" and others must've been released too...
Actually, UP! was a great achievement;)
Dannywaldron
12-19-2006, 8:50am
overall it has sold at least 12 million copies to date
Is that 12million copies in North America alone counting UP! as a two disks (i. e. 6million copies of a double-disk album) or is that 12million copies worldwide counting UP! as one c. d.?
The figures for UP! always confuse me!
Dan
captainCorr
12-19-2006, 8:54am
That is worldwide with counting Up! up as 1 CD (so using the 6 million figure in the US for the whole package)..
twaintrain
12-19-2006, 6:13pm
5.5 million may not seem like much compared to 20 million of "Come On Over" but compare it to the biggest albums of the last couple of years:
"The Emancipation of Mimi" Mariah Carey - 6 million
"Breakaway" Kelly Clarkson - 6 million
Today, I think 6 million is about equivalent to 10 million a few years ago with downloading and all.
5.5 million may not seem like much compared to 20 million of "Come On Over" but compare it to the biggest albums of the last couple of years:
"The Emancipation of Mimi" Mariah Carey - 6 million
"Breakaway" Kelly Clarkson - 6 million
Today, I think 6 million is about equivalent to 10 million a few years ago with downloading and all.
You got that right.
Dannywaldron
12-20-2006, 10:10am
That is worldwide with counting Up! up as 1 CD (so using the 6 million figure in the US for the whole package)..
So in reality 24million UP! c. d's have been sold worldwide (ignoring the subsequent single-c. d. version)! :shocked: :D
Dan
FinnFreak
12-20-2006, 11:11am
Shania is her own toughest competitor.
John - ;)
dreamer
12-21-2006, 3:15pm
that is the surest thing I've read in this thread
And sincerly, I don't care how much does she sell, how many CDs might be sold by people in the world, wether we know shania's talent is in it, and wether we know the most stupid music is increrasing on sales lately. Well, my point is that good music is getting behind, something we know, but, what's the matter?, and what does this have to do with shania's own talent?
Even though sales on albums is important for the career of every artist, shania has the support of us, her fans, her best judgement.;)
Shania is her own toughest competitor.
:great: Fabulous, that is so true.
Shania is her own toughest competitor.
John - ;)
You got that right.
Rafael_barbosa
12-22-2006, 9:21am
I believe her album UP is not selling in world wide because of the lack of advertisement she should be doing. Not everybody in other countries have access to this kind of culture, and if they do (like in Brazil) the purchase of a cd is almost unthinkable due to its very expensive price. I don't know why it is so expensive but i hope one they it will be cheaper.
:)
EilleenTwain88
12-29-2006, 2:29pm
I also believe that UP! is the second best-selling album worldwide of this decade behind Norah Jones' "Come Away With Me".
That is true and actually the only correct way to make any comparisons. Comparing the sales of COO to Up! is totally unfair since they came out in a totally different time.
I don't know why it is so expensive but i hope one they it will be cheaper.
:)
A good album who worth to listen to, is never gonna be cheap.
It was 5.5 million copies sold in the US only!!! In the world, UP! sold a lot more! And it's one of the best-selling albums of the century!
Guys, don't give wrong info :uhh:
TwainMan
12-29-2006, 4:04pm
Actually, UP! is one of the best selling albums of the 21st century. It has sold 15 million copies only in USA, Canada, Australia and European countries. Worldwide sales are much higher as many countries don't have their sales figues easily accessible for the public. We don`t know how good the album did in Asia and Africa. :)
FinnFreak
12-29-2006, 4:43pm
...the last I heared, it plays on and on and on and on...
Ympäri maailaman - Around the world
John - :)
dreamer
12-29-2006, 6:20pm
why do sales matter anyway? there are thousands of people coming together and building lives here. isn't that popular enough?:love:
TwainMan
12-29-2006, 7:01pm
why do sales matter anyway? there are thousands of people coming together and building lives here. isn't that popular enough?:love:
Of course, it is popular, Dreamer :)
It sure is popular, Dreamer;) that's a good thought
:up:
why do sales matter anyway? there are thousands of people coming together and building lives here. isn't that popular enough?:love:
You got that right.
dreamer
12-30-2006, 7:18pm
and I'm sure more people will come
About that there is no doubt.
ShaniaKoukla
12-30-2006, 11:43pm
The worst track was by far Juanita and not It Only Hurts, but I do think Up did relatively well.
I don't think there is a "worst" song. Maybe for tastes of everyone, there'll be the best for your and the song you like the less. But not a "worst" atleast me. That song contains rythms that Shania didn't play on other songs in her back CDs.
dreamer
01-02-2007, 8:54pm
The worst track was by far Juanita and not It Only Hurts, but I do think Up did relatively well.
I don't think there is a "worst" song. Maybe for tastes of everyone, there'll be the best for your and the song you like the less. But not a "worst" atleast me. That song contains rythms that Shania didn't play on other songs in her back CDs.
yeah I love Juanita and IOHWIB I love all of them just not all the time depending on my mood I love each one but on cetain days I listen to some more some less!:cool:
TwainMan
01-03-2007, 8:39pm
yeah I love Juanita and IOHWIB I love all of them just not all the time depending on my mood I love each one but on cetain days I listen to some more some less!:cool:
Me too ;)
The worst track was by far Juanita and not It Only Hurts, but I do think Up did relatively well.
I love Juanita too!
SHANIANUTS!
01-03-2007, 9:20pm
The worst track was by far Juanita .....Nah!:funny::funny::funny::funny:
theTWAINfan
01-04-2007, 12:59pm
I agree that Up! did do well, however I believe far more promotion could and should have been possible. I also think there would have been more adequate single choices. In Germany, we had quite the right singles, however Up! was released too late, When You Kiss Me received close to no promotion because Shania was sick (ok, this sort of thing happens, but you need to change plans then). They definetely need to create more of a hype around it (Madonna's Confessions album was talked about for weeks before the single was released in Germany and I'm sure the label deliberately leaked little extracts from Hung Up to the internet which were then played on the radio).
Bu then again, I'm not an expert on music releases and who knows what Shania wants.
EilleenTwain88
01-04-2007, 6:08pm
She is Not Just Petty Face - that is boring. Lyrics are ok I guess but music is too monotonious for me. A little like hip hop ot reggae or folk songs, where the singing is more like talking.... or whatever. :p
TwainMan
01-06-2007, 3:14pm
Shania is out of spotlight for so long. I think that she will have to promote her new CD really good when it will come out(I hope, this year)..
englishemme
01-06-2007, 3:45pm
Yeah, I agree. If & I hope when this new album does come out, she's going to be very busy with promotion!
Shania is out of spotlight for so long. I think that she will have to promote her new CD really good when it will come out(I hope, this year)..
That is a good point.
ELEANOR MAW
01-06-2007, 5:00pm
Shania is out of spotlight for so long. I think that she will have to promote her new CD really good when it will come out(I hope, this year)..I WILL BUY IT WELL BEFORE SHE HAS A CHANCE TO PROMOTE IT, AS SOON AS IT'S IN THE RECORD SHOP I WILL BE THERE WITH THE CASH AND I AM SURE IT WILL BE GREAT C.D.
dreamer
01-06-2007, 5:46pm
I WILL BUY IT WELL BEFORE SHE HAS A CHANCE TO PROMOTE IT, AS SOON AS IT'S IN THE RECORD SHOP I WILL BE THERE WITH THE CASH AND I AM SURE IT WILL BE GREAT C.D.
AMEN!:bounce:
TwainMan
01-06-2007, 6:41pm
I will buy her new CD as soon as possible, too. :)
I WILL BUY IT WELL BEFORE SHE HAS A CHANCE TO PROMOTE IT, AS SOON AS IT'S IN THE RECORD SHOP I WILL BE THERE WITH THE CASH AND I AM SURE IT WILL BE GREAT C.D.
She will promote it some before it comes out.
TwainMan
01-06-2007, 6:56pm
She will promote it some before it comes out.
Yeah, like before the release of UP! ;)
ELEANOR MAW
01-06-2007, 7:04pm
Yeah, like before the release of UP! ;)WE DID NOT GET THAT MUCH PROMOTION OF UP OTHER THAN A SINGLE IN THE UK
We have to be part of the new succes on sales eh.. So be ready to any new release.. who be first?..:funny:
dreamer
01-07-2007, 8:33pm
your right I hope people don't rip it *steal* like many did for Up!
TwainMan
01-08-2007, 11:28am
your right I hope people don't rip it *steal* like many did for Up!
I hope so, too ;)
dreamer
01-13-2007, 6:42pm
it's hard to imagine people stealing it though all the fans I know are responsible, yet it happens still
JimColyer
01-17-2007, 8:38pm
UP! went to #1 in the pop album charts. Neither of the previous 2 albums did that. UP! is full of great songs. The people in Nashville did not consider it country, so country radio did not want to play it. It was "arty," which I thought was great because I am an ABBA fan. Also, there was some jealousy in Nashville because of her enormous success.
geekfreek000
01-29-2007, 5:31pm
The most recent sales figures I remember reading were from a couple years ago. They came directly from her label and were single-CD sale quotes:
US: 5.5 million
Canada: 2 million
WW: 13 million
Up! has often been cited as selling over 18 million copies worldwide, but that includes the "double disc" count that was used in the U.S. Shania requested that the album be counted as 1 unit sold for every 2-disc set purchased (she didn't want to the numbers to be made bigger because there were 2 discs). Most countries followed this procedue, but Shania's U.S. label decided to "hide" their own lack of promotion mistakes by claiming that Up! had sold 11 million copies in the U.S. So, if you take 11 million and add the 7.5 million copies sold worldwide, you get 18.5 million.
Like I said though, these numbers were from the end of 2004. I would assume that U.S. sales are probably at 6 million now (or 12 million) and probably somewhere between 14 and 15 million worldwide. I'm just speculating though and don't know for sure.
Thanks for all the details:great:
I still think that "Up!" is a GREAT album... Already posted my thoughts on the subject earlier in the thread...
Great to see more Up! info 2 years later still on...:)
Great to see more Up! info 2 years later still on...:)
Yep it is great.
shania megafan
01-31-2007, 2:46pm
Thanks for the info! Up! is my fav album, I love it :love:
Thanks for the info! Up! is my fav album, I love it :love:
The mine is too. Is the best.
It is indeed a very special album but I guess it wasn't well-received by country music fans who were expecting another type of release from Shania...
On the international value, Up! was received a lot of better (as I live in an area where UP! made amazing success) than in North America...
:great:
dreamer
01-31-2007, 6:23pm
I hate her label:rolleyes: not only do they cheat her but they can't even keep track of her numbers even though she still takes the gold:banghead::faint:
shania megafan
02-01-2007, 7:27am
I hate her label:rolleyes: not only do they cheat her but they can't even keep track of her numbers even though she still takes the gold:banghead::faint:
That is so true :rolleyes: I sometimes wonder how it would be if she had a different label..
FinnFreak
02-01-2007, 7:35am
The most recent sales figures I remember reading were from a couple years ago. They came directly from her label and were single-CD sale quotes:
US: 5.5 million
Canada: 2 million
WW: 13 million
Up! has often been cited as selling over 18 million copies worldwide, but that includes the "double disc" count that was used in the U.S. Shania requested that the album be counted as 1 unit sold for every 2-disc set purchased (she didn't want to the numbers to be made bigger because there were 2 discs). Most countries followed this procedue, but Shania's U.S. label decided to "hide" their own lack of promotion mistakes by claiming that Up! had sold 11 million copies in the U.S. So, if you take 11 million and add the 7.5 million copies sold worldwide, you get 18.5 million.
Like I said though, these numbers were from the end of 2004. I would assume that U.S. sales are probably at 6 million now (or 12 million) and probably somewhere between 14 and 15 million worldwide. I'm just speculating though and don't know for sure.
...you just gotta *love* math..! :p
John - ;)
guiness
02-02-2007, 4:56pm
I liked her album Up so much. I am disappointed for Shania that it did not sell as well as her COO album did. I think her record company could have done more to promote her and the album. I don't think her label promoted her greatest hits cd at all
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