Carrie Underwood slams Shania's "Up!" cd...and remixes

[RKSTFan]

Carrie Underwood is on the cover of the latest "Entertainment Weekly" magazine.

The following is an excerpt from her "EW" interview:


Is it true that your label asked you to record pop versions of some of the country tracks on Some Hearts, like ''Before He Cheats,'' and you said no?

I didn't have to put my foot down, thank goodness. I hate it when country artists do that. You're listening to a song on one station and you turn it and you hear a different version? It's like, ''All right, it's not good enough for everybody this way, so let's change it to make it good enough.''

But Shania Twain recorded pop versions of all the songs on Up! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IX86/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/103-0395203-9942226?%5Fencoding=UTF8) and it made her a superstar.

I liked the original country version. On all the ones that she redid.

Since you want to be considered a country artist, were you worried when ''Cheats'' became a pop hit?

I wasn't, because we didn't change the song. I did sing it on SNL, but we sang it as it was. It wasn't like, ''This is my new pop single, 'Before He Cheats.'''


Source (http://thebosh.com/archives/2007/10/the_confessions_of_carrie_underwood.php)

[Troll]

That is interesting.

[illinishaniafan]

Not really a slam, though...

[Hockeystick]

This will get mixed reactions. Do you really think it was a slam, meaning putting down Shania for the way she has to remix everything so she's different for different people and doesn't want to be labeled a country singer? Or is Carrie just saying this is how she wants to go about it, and she prefers the way Shania's country versions sound best or better than the remixes? I too like Shania country best, but whatever she wants to do is up to her.

[RKSTFan]

This will get mixed reactions. Do you really think it was a slam, meaning putting down Shania for the way she has to remix everything so she's different for different people and doesn't want to be labeled a country singer? Or is Carrie just saying this is how she wants to go about it, and she prefers the way Shania's country versions sound best or better than the remixes? I too like Shania country best, but whatever she wants to do is up to her.

I think it was a ridiculous slam mainly because of Carrie's own music.

What I want to know is what in the world are Carrie and that interviewer hearing, or thinking, when they listen to Carrie's songs like "Jesus Take the Wheel" and her latest song - "So Small"?

They act like those songs, especially "So Small," are sooo country. The interviewer actually praises Carrie repeatedly for making more of a turn back to Country with her new cd.

Am I wrong, but does anyone else not see any Country improvements/additions to "So Small" in comparison to "Jesus Take the Wheel" and other Carrie songs?

Now, Carrie acts as though she feels she's waving a flag for country music and is saying she hates remixes and that she wouldn't do them because she's a country artist, no matter what anyone says. :rolleyes:

Is it me or does anyone else think that most of Carrie's songs (with a couple of exceptions) are already Pop-enough that they don't even need any remixes for AC/Pop radio?

IMO, Carrie needs to listen to her own songs - especially songs like her new one ("So Small") - before she criticizes anyone for doing remixes.

I am sorry, but I have lost all of the respect I had for Carrie Underwood.



My rant is over, for now. ;) I just wanted to state my feelings.

[dreamer]

I think it was a ridiculous slam mainly because of Carrie's own music.

What I want to know is what in the world are Carrie and that interviewer hearing, or thinking, when they listen to Carrie's songs like "Jesus Take the Wheel" and her latest song - "So Small"?

They act like those songs, especially "So Small," are sooo country. The interviewer actually praises Carrie repeatedly for making more of a turn back to Country with her new cd.

Am I wrong, but does anyone else not see any Country improvements/additions to "So Small" in comparison to "Jesus Take the Wheel" and other Carrie songs?

Now, Carrie acts as though she feels she's waving a flag for country music and is saying she hates remixes and that she wouldn't do them because she's a country artist, no matter what anyone says. :rolleyes:

Is it me or does anyone else think that most of Carrie's songs (with a couple of exceptions) are already Pop-enough that they don't even need any remixes for AC/Pop radio?

IMO, Carrie needs to listen to her own songs - especially songs like her new one ("So Small") - before she criticizes anyone for doing remixes.

I am sorry, but I have lost all of the respect I had for Carrie Underwood.



My rant is over, for now. ;) I just wanted to state my feelings.

good points she is pop too

[twaintrain]

That wasn't a slam. All she said was she LIKED the original versions. I don't see how liking Shania's music constitutes a slam. I happen to completely agree... I like the green CD too.

[dreamer]

slam or no she is pop and country too

[Hockeystick]

I think it was a ridiculous slam mainly because of Carrie's own music.

What I want to know is what in the world are Carrie and that interviewer hearing, or thinking, when they listen to Carrie's songs like "Jesus Take the Wheel" and her latest song - "So Small"?

They act like those songs, especially "So Small," are sooo country. The interviewer actually praises Carrie repeatedly for making more of a turn back to Country with her new cd.

Am I wrong, but does anyone else not see any Country improvements/additions to "So Small" in comparison to "Jesus Take the Wheel" and other Carrie songs?

Now, Carrie acts as though she feels she's waving a flag for country music and is saying she hates remixes and that she wouldn't do them because she's a country artist, no matter what anyone says. :rolleyes:

Is it me or does anyone else think that most of Carrie's songs (with a couple of exceptions) are already Pop-enough that they don't even need any remixes for AC/Pop radio?

IMO, Carrie needs to listen to her own songs - especially songs like her new one ("So Small") - before she criticizes anyone for doing remixes.

I am sorry, but I have lost all of the respect I had for Carrie Underwood.



My rant is over, for now. ;) I just wanted to state my feelings.

I haven't heard the new Carrie songs yet so I don't know if her first album or second sound more or less country. You make a good point when you say Carrie goes around waving this banner representing country music like she's taking it back to its roots, but like you said it seems most of it already lies in the middle so it can easily be played on AC or Hot radio. "Before He Cheats" was huge all across the board. Carrie definitely has received a lot more cross over play then Shania did at this point of her career. Shania's first two albums were strictly played to country audiences yet took off with other people without remixes or playing on non country radio. Carrie right off the bat is playing all formats. Carrie we know gets plenty of critics too who say she's not truly country. Kind of odd with these comments by her.

I understand your side of it RKSTFan.

[mcjessica]

This will get mixed reactions. Do you really think it was a slam, meaning putting down Shania for the way she has to remix everything so she's different for different people and doesn't want to be labeled a country singer? Or is Carrie just saying this is how she wants to go about it, and she prefers the way Shania's country versions sound best or better than the remixes? I too like Shania country best, but whatever she wants to do is up to her.

I definitely think it was an indirect stab at Shania. I'm not the type of person that gets all defensive and
b!tchy when someone says something about Shania but I just think that her comment was really ignorant and typical of a Nashville purist (which as much as she'd like to think, Carrie is not). Other than Shania and maybe Faith, she is one of the most obvious pop-country artists in the industry. That's fine and it works for her but I really don't think she has the right critisize arists that opened the doors for artists like her.

[Hockeystick]

That wasn't a slam. All she said was she LIKED the original versions. I don't see how liking Shania's music constitutes a slam. I happen to completely agree... I like the green CD too.

I agree with that too.

[Hockeystick]

I definitely think it was an indirect stab at Shania. I'm not the type of person that gets all defensive and
b!tchy when someone says something about Shania but I just think that her comment was really ignorant and typical of a Nashville purist (which as much as she'd like to think, Carrie isn't). Other than Shania and maybe Faith, she is one of the most obvious pop-country artists in the industry. That's fine and it works for her but I really don't think she has the right critisize arists that opened the doors for artists like her.

Very true, good points. She's almost kissing up to the industry and being a hypocrite eh?

[mcjessica]

haha exactly. I don't really see her comment as being a slam against Shania's music, but it was definitely a stab at the way which she records and markets her music.

[dreamer]

I definitely think it was an indirect stab at Shania. I'm not the type of person that gets all defensive and
b!tchy when someone says something about Shania but I just think that her comment was really ignorant and typical of a Nashville purist (which as much as she'd like to think, Carrie is not). Other than Shania and maybe Faith, she is one of the most obvious pop-country artists in the industry. That's fine and it works for her but I really don't think she has the right critisize arists that opened the doors for artists like her.

yeah..:rolleyes:

[Hockeystick]

haha exactly. I don't really see her comment as being a slam against Shania's music, but it was definitely a stab at the way which she records and markets her music.

I'll go along with that. Game, set and match. :p

[dreamer]

huh????

[RKSTFan]

That wasn't a slam. All she said was she LIKED the original versions. I don't see how liking Shania's music constitutes a slam. I happen to completely agree... I like the green CD too.

What she said about liking the Country version isn't what contitutes a slam of anything.

It is the other comments in that interview about how she "hates" when artists do remixes and her statements about how she's country, no matter what anyone says.

Meanwhile, Carrie is doing songs like "Jesus Take the Wheel" and "So Small" that are already pop enough that they don't even require remixes to get played on AC/Pop stations.

Carrie, of all people, shouldn't be criticizing people for doing remixes and acting like she is waving a flag for country music.

IMO, what Carrie said is no better than when Martina publicly proclaimed that she was/is a Country artist and didn't want to seek "15 minutes of pop fame" - while a REMIX of "This One's For the Girls" was climbing the AC/Pop charts. (See Quote Here. (http://lounge.teamshania.com/showthread.php?t=3752))

I guess, for me, 'actions speak louder than words.'

I feel it's not right to slam someone for seeking "pop fame" or state that you "hate" remixes when you (Carrie/Martina) crossover to the AC/Pop charts yourself with equal (or less) effort than those people that you are criticizing.

That's jmo.

[mcjessica]

Yeah that's what got to me too. This comment in particular really bugged me:

You're listening to a song on one station and you turn it and you hear a different version? It's like, ''All right, it's not good enough for everybody this way, so let's change it to make it good enough.''

At least Shania made the effort to cater to all her fans who enjoy different genres and may prefer her as a pop artist. It has nothing do with changing it because "it's not good enough".

I never understood why music of a specific genre has to fit the exact mould of all other music in that genre. Where the hell would music be today if there weren't people constantly pushing boundries and trying to break that mould?

[RKSTFan]

What appears to be Carrie's entire "Entertainment Weekly" interview is available HERE (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152857,00.html) on the "EW" site.

The Shania-related parts start HERE (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152857_2,00.html) on Page 2 (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152857_2,00.html).

[dreamer]

I couldn't have said it better

[FinnFreak]

:dunno: - WHO is Carrie Underwood - and who says the green version is the original one..? :really:


John - ;)

[ELEANOR MAW]

I have never liked the blue UP remix album, I do like the red UP album, but a love the Green UP album, as far as I am concerned there should of been a double album with one disc being the green & one red disc released in all countries then the UP album might of been just as successful as the Come On Over CD.

[Troll]

Thanks for all the great opinons.

[twaintrain]

Carrie wasn't the one that brought up Shania. When asked about Shania specifically she said the like the country versions of those songs better. I think people are making something out of nothing. It's getting so crazy. No one can have an opinion anymore without people making them a villan. Carrie's a sweet girl and has never said anything negative about Shania. She's even playing one of Shania's videos on her CMT program that she's hosting.

[mcjessica]

Are you kidding?

EW: Some Hearts had a handful of pop songs, while Carnival Ride absolutely sounds like a country record the whole way through.
CU: The first one definitely had a different purpose to serve. I'd gained a big following from Idol of people who were not all country-music listeners. I want to be a country artist in a country world with country fans. We had to figure out a way, even if they're not country-music fans, to make them country-music fans.

I don't think anyone could be more contradictory and a bigger hypocrite if they tried. What happened to ''All right, it's not good enough for everybody this way, so let's change it to make it good enough.''? Although she didn't remake the songs, she created them with the mindset that they couldn't be country songs. How is that any different from what other artists do? The only difference is her's required half the effort. :rolleyes:

[mcjessica]

Carrie wasn't the one that brought up Shania. When asked about Shania specifically she said the like the country versions of those songs better. I think people are making something out of nothing. It's getting so crazy. No one can have an opinion anymore without people making them a villan. Carrie's a sweet girl and has never said anything negative about Shania. She's even playing one of Shania's videos on her CMT program that she's hosting.

I don't care about the fact that it relates to Shania. I would be equally bothered by this comment if she didn't bring up Shania at all. I just hate the fact that she is critisizing other artists because of the way they do their music...as if to say she's not guilty of trying to appeal to a pop audience. She clearly contradicts herself on that throughout the interview.

[twaintrain]

I think she was talking about the fact that they wanted her to change "Before He Cheats" musically for pop radio. She wouldn't change it because she thought it was good enough already. She's talking about remixes, not being on the pop charts. She NEVER did a remix. "Before He Cheats" was not changed at all for pop stations. If a song already has a pop feel then fine - but don't change a country song that's good already to make it pop. I think that's what she was saying. She knows she has pop fans so she makes some songs that sound pop.

I personally agree with her. In general, I don't care for remixes either. 99% of the time the original is better. I always listen to the green CD of "Up!". Not saying that was the "original" but since Shania's considered a country artist I would assume most people think the country version was the original.

[mcjessica]

She knows she has pop fans so she makes some songs that sound pop.

Yeah and that's fine because that's the way she chose to market her music. Artists like Shania who do make remixes market their music in a different way and all I'm saying is she has no right to judge them for that.

[Steve F]

Some strong criticism, some deserved, some maybe not, but somewhat legit in any event. I bought Some Hearts. It's a pretty good recording. My main reason for buying it was for the song Wasted. I knew she already had a couple of hits with Before He Cheats, and Jesus Take The Wheel, but neither of those really impressed me to buy Some Hearts. I was glad though they were on there to help me justify spending my money on the CD. Now that I've listened to it a few times, I find I like a couple of the other songs like We're Young And Beautiful and the title song. Would I buy her new album? Right now I would say no. Carrie has a great voice and a lot of range, I can't dispute that, and she is a very pretty girl, but it's just that behind all the hype from A/I, she is just another good country singer among many. Without her winning A/I, I doubt we would even be discussing this now. She is not in the same class as Shania, not do I believe she has what it takes to have the crossover success that Shania has enjoyed. So for me to buy a new CD, she is going to have to show me something more than she has so far. Just for the record, she wasn't my choice for A/I that year.

Steve

[Hockeystick]

What she said about liking the Country version isn't what contitutes a slam of anything.

It is the other comments in that interview about how she "hates" when artists do remixes and her statements about how she's country, no matter what anyone says.

Meanwhile, Carrie is doing songs like "Jesus Take the Wheel" and "So Small" that are already pop enough that they don't even require remixes to get played on AC/Pop stations.

Carrie, of all people, shouldn't be criticizing people for doing remixes and acting like she is waving a flag for country music.

IMO, what Carrie said is no better than when Martina publicly proclaimed that she was/is a Country artist and didn't want to seek "15 minutes of pop fame" - while a REMIX of "This One's For the Girls" was climbing the AC/Pop charts. (See Quote Here. (http://lounge.teamshania.com/showthread.php?t=3752))

I guess, for me, 'actions speak louder than words.'

I feel it's not right to slam someone for seeking "pop fame" or state that you "hate" remixes when you (Carrie/Martina) crossover to the AC/Pop charts yourself with equal (or less) effort than those people that you are criticizing.

That's jmo.

I register loud and clear. Sounds like hypocrites and you make good points. :D

[mcjessica]

haha this is out of the blue but I love these online debates. They're fun. :smirk:

[Hockeystick]

I have never liked the blue UP remix album, I do like the red UP album, but a love the Green UP album, as far as I am concerned there should of been a double album with one disc being the green & one red disc released in all countries then the UP album might of been just as successful as the Come On Over CD.

The blue version was fun, but why on earth did Shania release it to the international community with the red disc I will never know. Do many people play the blue disc often? After five years? Probably not. 7/8ths of the world got a blue disc instead of the green country disc. Did she really think not many people would care for the country version? I think you international fans got gypped. I think the whole world and not just North America should of received green/red and the blue should have been available for free on Shania's website or all three in one or something like that.

If it was green/red I agree the UP album could have been a great smash all over the world. It was huge but could have been bigger. Blue? :funny:

[Hockeystick]

haha this is out of the blue but I love these online debates. They're fun. :smirk:

Yepper. :D

[Hockeystick]

I personally agree with her. In general, I don't care for remixes either. 99% of the time the original is better. I always listen to the green CD of "Up!". Not saying that was the "original" but since Shania's considered a country artist I would assume most people think the country version was the original.

I would like to think that myself although the poor folks around the world didn't get the green disc. That was a shame.

[Hockeystick]

Some strong criticism, some deserved, some maybe not, but somewhat legit in any event. I bought Some Hearts. It's a pretty good recording. My main reason for buying it was for the song Wasted. I knew she already had a couple of hits with Before He Cheats, and Jesus Take The Wheel, but neither of those really impressed me to buy Some Hearts. I was glad though they were on there to help me justify spending my money on the CD. Now that I've listened to it a few times, I find I like a couple of the other songs like We're Young And Beautiful and the title song. Would I buy her new album? Right now I would say no. Carrie has a great voice and a lot of range, I can't dispute that, and she is a very pretty girl, but it's just that behind all the hype from A/I, she is just another good country singer among many. Without her winning A/I, I doubt we would even be discussing this now. She is not in the same class as Shania, not do I believe she has what it takes to have the crossover success that Shania has enjoyed. So for me to buy a new CD, she is going to have to show me something more than she has so far. Just for the record, she wasn't my choice for A/I that year.

Steve

Another fine message. :D

[EilleenTwain88]

As a rock based Shania fan myself, I would call Red the original Up! and Green just a remix like Blue, :p!!

Before Shania (and Mutt) there were no remixes in country music; with the budgets they were running the show - they could't have even afforded any... :D? Nice speech now, how they are ruining the whole thing... hmmm.

Of course Carrie is entitled to her opinion and her own way of making career, but stating that Shania and Mutt were doing it just to kiss everbody's bottom?!? Nääh. They were doing it since they had all the time and money in the world to have fun with it.

I don't think they took it this seriously, so neither should Carrie or us.

[Troll]

haha this is out of the blue but I love these online debates. They're fun. :smirk:

Yes they are.

[RKSTFan]

Are you kidding?

I don't think anyone could be more contradictory and a bigger hypocrite if they tried. What happened to Although she didn't remake the songs, she created them with the mindset that they couldn't be country songs. How is that any different from what other artists do? The only difference is her's required half the effort. :rolleyes:

I agree completely.

I also find it a bit ironic that Carrie is supporting Faith and Martina in the same interview she slams remixes by saying "I hate it when country artists do that".

Those two (Faith and Martina), like Carrie, have benefited greatly by following in Shania's crossover footsteps and all 3 of them haven't had to take near the amount of criticism that Shania has had to deal with while crossing over.

Both of them (Faith and Martina) have also done the 'horrible' Remixes that Carrie professes to "hate" so much. They both followed Shania and did remixes of many of their songs for AC/Pop radio.

Yet Carrie turns around and says that Martina should be nominated for EOTY and appears to boldly say that she herself (Carrie) would like to get a foot in the Male-dominated EOTY category and "do something about that" (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152857_4,00.html).

IMO, Carrie is far too bold and yet lacks far too much knowledge to go down the road she's walking on. Slamming Shania for her "Up!" remixes and praising Martina and Faith will get her some big industry praise (and awards) for a while, but what's going to happen when the "next Carrie" or the "next Shania" comes to town?

Carrie's comments about the Wynonna Judd and Faith Hill incidents at award shows also shows that she apparently believes everything that someone tells her, even when she's standing right off the edge of a stage while another artist slams her. 'It's ok Carrie, I didn't mean it like that.' Carrie believes them. Astounding.

I thought Carrie was smarter and nicer than what this interview shows. I guess I was wrong.


I will now be hoping for a Reba upset in the Female Vocalist category at the CMAs. Carrie has lost my support. I am sure that will no doubt cause Carrie to lose a lot of sleep. ;)

[timminslover]

I think the only reason she is saying these things about Shania is to remain country music's pet. She's not the first country music star to have a dig at Shania and her music. I suppose these views she has about not crossing over will keep her sweet with Nashville, but she's ignoring a big market overseas.

[matty]

Well COO made her a superstar IMO. Up! was being creative and different.

[timminslover]

I prefer Up!

[tonyme]

I don't think she was criticising Shania in a bad way... After all, she remains one of her fans!

[taniashain]

I am starting to get annoyed with Carrie Underwood. Sometimes it seems to me that she's taking advantage of all Shania has suffered through with Nashville. A/I or not, she wouldn't have gone far without Shania kicking down the door first. My gosh, Shania hasn't even been on the Grand Old Opry has she? Carrie will be, and it makes my blood boil.

It seems very popular these days for rock artists to cross into country and vice versa. Lucky Nashville strikes again. I swear, they would've sunk into nothingness if it weren't for Shania bringing in new ways of thinking. Even Bon Jovi is getting into it. It doesn't bother me. Nashville and the whole country music thing has always rattled my cage. I'm glad they're no longer dinosaurs, but, I wish they all would get off their high horses. Rock/Pop is bringing them out of the dusty cupboards. They should be bowing down to kiss Shania's feet.Not telling everyone what "real country" is. It doesn't exist anymore, IMO.

[Troll]

I agree completely.

I also find it a bit ironic that Carrie is supporting Faith and Martina in the same interview she slams remixes by saying "I hate it when country artists do that".

Those two (Faith and Martina), like Carrie, have benefited greatly by following in Shania's crossover footsteps and all 3 of them haven't had to take near the amount of criticism that Shania has had to deal with while crossing over.

Both of them (Faith and Martina) have also done the 'horrible' Remixes that Carrie professes to "hate" so much. They both followed Shania and did remixes of many of their songs for AC/Pop radio.

Yet Carrie turns around and says that Martina should be nominated for EOTY and appears to boldly say that she herself (Carrie) would like to get a foot in the Male-dominated EOTY category and "do something about that" (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152857_4,00.html).

IMO, Carrie is far too bold and yet lacks far too much knowledge to go down the road she's walking on. Slamming Shania for her "Up!" remixes and praising Martina and Faith will get her some big industry praise (and awards) for a while, but what's going to happen when the "next Carrie" or the "next Shania" comes to town?

Carrie's comments about the Wynonna Judd and Faith Hill incidents at award shows also shows that she apparently believes everything that someone tells her, even when she's standing right off the edge of a stage while another artist slams her. 'It's ok Carrie, I didn't mean it like that.' Carrie believes them. Astounding.

I thought Carrie was smarter and nicer than what this interview shows. I guess I was wrong.


I will now be hoping for a Reba upset in the Female Vocalist category at the CMAs. Carrie has lost my support. I am sure that will no doubt cause Carrie to lose a lot of sleep. ;)

Good points

[twaintrain]

Carrie did not say one bad thing about Shania. She simply said she didn't like remixes. The interviewer brought up Shania and Carrie paid her a compliment by saying she liked the green version.

Carrie never said she should have been nominated for Entertainer. She said that women should be treated as equals in that field. She has said in the past that she is too new to be nominated for that.

What's so bad about Carrie supporting Faith and Martina? She supports Shania. She has said before that she likes Shania and will be including Shania when she plays her favorite videos on CMT.

People need to stop putting words in her mouth. It's really unfair.

[mcjessica]

For the record when she responded "I liked the original country version. On all the ones that she redid." in response to "But Shania Twain recorded pop versions of all the songs on Up! and it made her a superstar." that was not a compliment.

Sure she said she liked her music, but think of the context of the statement compared to her answer. Maybe that's just my opinion but it's not really the way someone would respond to a statement like that.

& for the 4 millionth time I'm not mad because of that, I'm mad because of the hypocrisy of everything else she says in the interview.

[illinishaniafan]

Well IMO Shania hasn't "suffered" at all from Nashville and I don't think Carrie was "slamming" her music either.

It's not on me to tell you guys to move on, so continue! :p

[SHANIANUTS!]

I prefer Up!
I prefer her first two albums.

[Paul]

I don't think the country version WAS the original. If you listen the red version sounds more original. And seeing as though Mutt's speciality isn't country...well, you know. People should think before speaking.

[SHANIANUTS!]

The Red and Green versions sound a lot alike - I am almost sure it was said somewhere early on the Green version came first.

[dreamer]

Yeah and that's fine because that's the way she chose to market her music. Artists like Shania who do make remixes market their music in a different way and all I'm saying is she has no right to judge them for that.
a completely agree

[EilleenTwain88]

The Red and Green versions sound a lot alike - I am almost sure it was said somewhere early on the Green version came first.
:shocked: Nääh.

Red was the one distributed to everyone, Green and Blue were not; that speaks for itself. And Red is Pure Mutt Lange in production wise, and even the vocals (same tracks used in every version) are better timed in that. Which means that it was the original.

I often wonder why they DID use the same vocal tracks, since thay could have recorded them again quite easily? To make a point of some sort or what?

[FinnFreak]

The Red and Green versions sound a lot alike - I am almost sure it was said somewhere early on the Green version came first.

NOT to these ears. And the banjos and steels were added in the Bahamas...

But...

I fear this discussion is dangerously slipping into another elitist debate on which musical genre is preferable over others... heh... Country isn't what it used to be..? - Damn good. A little revolution every now & then is a good thing - to prevent things getting too regressive...

With Shania's next album: perhaps throw in an acoustic version as a bonus..? - I think that would go down pretty well with the punters..?


John - ;)

[Troll]

NOT to these ears. And the banjos and steels were added in the Bahamas...

But...

I fear this discussion is dangerously slipping into another elitist debate on which musical genre is preferable over others... heh... Country isn't what it used to be..? - Damn good. A little revolution every now & then is a good thing - to prevent things getting too regressive...

With Shania's next album: perhaps throw in an acoustic version as a bonus..? - I think that would go down pretty well with the punters..?


John - ;)

You might be right John.

[EilleenTwain88]

With Shania's next album: perhaps throw in an acoustic version as a bonus..? - I think that would go down pretty well with the punters..?
She has been there and done that (with AKUS).
I wanna have some double bass and four guitars for a change, eh? :D

[mcjessica]

I loved UCAP (mostly because I love AKUS too), but I would love to hear her and Mutt produce something that has a similar feel to it. Even if it's just a couple songs.

[Troll]

Awesome suggestions

[canoilers]

NOT to these ears. And the banjos and steels were added in the Bahamas...

But...

I fear this discussion is dangerously slipping into another elitist debate on which musical genre is preferable over others... heh... Country isn't what it used to be..? - Damn good. A little revolution every now & then is a good thing - to prevent things getting too regressive...

With Shania's next album: perhaps throw in an acoustic version as a bonus..? - I think that would go down pretty well with the punters..?


John - ;)Don't forget about the Death Metal, Gangsta, Yodeling, Polka version as you can't forget that crown as they can be nasty if they don't get what they want. :p

[Troll]

Don't forget about the Death Metal, Gangsta, Yodeling, Polka version as you can't forget that crown as they can be nasty if they don't get what they want. :p

That is so true

[Brit_girlAmanda]

Shania has said herself, she would feel uncomfortable being restricted to one genre as she is a very versatile artist, who listens to/and is influenced by all types -pop, rock, country and classical. As for Carrie's comments, Shania is not interested in what she or the industry thinks about her music, but what she's producing, is good enough for the public (her fans) to hear.

[mcjessica]

Well said. :)

[Alex]

I'm good with it.

Shania is free to do whatever with her songs, even reggae :funny: LOL of course kidding..

I'm good with whatever she does :D

[Daisy_14]

I'm not the biggest Carrie fan, but I do agree with her. Not all remixes are bad, but for the most part, I like the original versions better.

[mcjessica]

My gosh, Shania hasn't even been on the Grand Old Opry has she? Carrie will be, and it makes my blood boil.

I'm watching Opry now and Carrie is on it after the break. :rolleyes::dunno:

I've always thought that it was ridiculous that she's never been on the Opry. Although I don't feel that's really her sort of thing, it's something which every and any successful country artist or group does once in their career. Considering Shania is probably one of the most successful and well-known country artists it's kind of ironic.

In the special I'm watching now they have several different artitsts playing and one of them is Emerson Drive (the band that opened for Shania on her Up! tour). When I saw that I was like "what more does she actually have to do to before she's taken seriously?" Ugh stupid Nashville...:rolleyes:

[dreamer]

I think Shania said no to the opry

[mcjessica]

Oh well that doesn't surprise me that much, like I said it's not really something I could see her doing. I still think it'd be intresting to see her on it though.

[mcjessica]

Oh look Carrie is on it now!!...[changes channel] :]
Just kidding I'm not that petty. :uhh::p:swoosh:

[dreamer]

me too

[RKSTFan]

Watching that "Carrie Music Television" special on CMT today just reinforced my negative opinion(s) of Carrie.

Her comments on Shania and other artists on that special did not impress me at all.

I posted my comments on the special, and a summary of the special, HERE (http://www.shaniaforums.com/showpost.php?p=937651&postcount=18).


http://lounge.teamshania.com/images/smilies/sigh.gif

[dreamer]

:nono: how sad

[mcjessica]

Oh Carrie...:rolleyes:
I have something to say, but it would probably be best if I didn't say it...:p:uhh:
Espeically because there are some Carrie fans on here who I don't want to upset haha. :love:

[shania megafan]

Oh... her comment on Shania seems so false. :rolleyes:
I have her cd, but I never understood what's so special about her. They find her so special, someone who did who knows what, while there's someone who deserves all the attentions and doesn't get them :smirk: ..and that's Shania! :love:

Since I know there are so many Carrie fans on here, I would't want to offend them, that's just what I feel.

[StarryShania]

Hmm I don't know if she ment it in a nice way or in a rude type of way ....

[dreamer]

i am not buying the new cd anymore She lost her luster

[timminslover]

Don't worry Misty. Carrie's on borrowed time. I'll give her two more years and the industry will move on to the next pretty blonde country singer. I hope she's banked her money,or she'll be back on the farm milking them cows.:D

[dreamer]

I don't wish that on her but she seems so arogant

[timminslover]

That's what happens when you let fame go to your head.

[dreamer]

yeah:sad:

[Alex]

fortunately has it on her head yet :D

[mcjessica]

i am not buying the new cd anymore She lost her luster

I was considering buying her new CD at one point too.

[taniashain]

Aw come on guys. I'm not her biggest fan but, we should stop bashing the poor girl.

[faithfully]

Carrie Underwood is entitled to an opinion as much as we are:D

[Alex]

I'm not criticizing her.. haha I don't even have an idea what she did :eek:

[mcjessica]

Aw come on guys. I'm not her biggest fan but, we should stop bashing the poor girl.

She'll be fine, afterall she does have all of Nashville on her side. :funny:

Just kidding :p my bashing is done now. I'm over it hahaha.

[dreamer]

should i buy it Jessica?

[mcjessica]

It's up to you, I'm probably not.
Unless she comes out with a few decent singles I like, I won't. There a lot of other albums I still want to get.

[cftennisnative3]

I don't really consider that a "slam". Just looks like to me a fan trying to get people to not like Carrie for a harmless comment.

[twaintrain]

Since all of you are still giving your opinions I will give mine.

Give the girl a break! She is amazingly talented and as down to earth as they come. I've heard too many stories of people who have met her and say how sweet she is. She always signs autographs, even when she's having dinner. When I saw her in concert she was very gracious. I have never heard an artist thank her fans so much.

Shania is and always will be my favorite but Carrie is now second. As a HUGE Carrie fan you all are making me really upset. Please leave her alone. I would hate to have to stop coming on these boards.:(

[dreamer]

honey I hope you stay I liked carrie a lot too maybe I still will but what She said and implied IMO was a huge suck up thats all...........but She is a great artist vocally

[mcjessica]

Since all of you are still giving your opinions I will give mine.

Give the girl a break! She is amazingly talented and as down to earth as they come. I've heard too many stories of people who have met her and say how sweet she is. She always signs autographs, even when she's having dinner. When I saw her in concert she was very gracious. I have never heard an artist thank her fans so much.

Shania is and always will be my favorite but Carrie is now second. As a HUGE Carrie fan you all are making me really upset. Please leave her alone. I would hate to have to stop coming on these boards.:(

:love::hugs: Aw I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I thought we were just discussing the topic. I really don't have a problem with her if that's why you think, I still think she's a great artist but I just don't agree with the stuff she implied during this interivew.

[twaintrain]

:love::hugs: Aw I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I thought we were just discussing the topic. I really don't have a problem with her if that's why you think, I still think she's a great artist but I just don't agree with the stuff she implied during this interivew.

I understand that you disagree with her opinion. That's fine. It just seems like everybody's now just attacking her personally. I feel the same way about Carrie as I do about Shania. I just don't want to see hurtful things posted about them.

[RKSTFan]

I haven't seen so much hype and blatant attempts to make an artist appear better than (or equal to) Shania since...Gretchen Wilson came on the scene.

According to the following reviewer, Carrie's new cd is equal to Shania's "Come On Over" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001EW3/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_3/102-6715763-5670546?%5Fencoding=UTF8).

(This same reviewer also compares Shania's "Up!" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IX86/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/103-0395203-9942226?%5Fencoding=UTF8) to Faith's "Cry" and says that both were attempts at a "big pop diva move." :uhh: )

Here is the review (with the Shania mentions in bold):

"Carnival Ride"
Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

The pivotal American Idol moment for Carrie Underwood was when she teased her hair to the heavens and sang Heart's "Alone," belting out the power ballad with sincerity and a natural flair for drama. It was the surest sign that Carrie wasn't merely the country star the show gladly pigeonholed her as, that she was a pop star by any measure. Of course, the great irony was that Carrie had little interest in being a pop star; she wanted to be a country singer, but the sheer magnitude of American Idol meant that she was already a pop star who needed to cross over to country, a reverse of the usual crossover move. Underwood pulled off that tricky maneuver with a deceptive ease on her 2005 debut, Some Hearts, which turned into a smash success, turning sextuple platinum at a time when many albums struggle to go gold, even surpassing the sales of the original Idol, Kelly Clarkson. Such success raised the bar for her 2007 follow-up, Carnival Ride. Traditionally, second albums are a place where artists consolidate their strengths or expand their reach, either with an eye toward artistic growth or commercial success, and Carrie chooses the former option, creating a record that is more purely country than her debut. She dials down the pageantry drama that peppered her debut — there are no Diane Warren songs, for instance — and plays up her humble, all-American persona, singing songs about small towns and big dreams, even attempting to kick up some dirt and grit on the one-night-stand anthem "Last Name," which is Miranda Lambert filtered through Shania Twain (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47216D84BAA7320C7932D5DF6A767FD07DB63 F79D106E495AD1A92D19DD4224B313A7D9CDB6B677BE7AA9F5 2BAC4A6FAE&sql=11:dxfwxqq5ldhe). And one of the striking things about Carnival Ride is how completely Carrie Underwood has stepped into the void that Shania (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47216D84BAA7320C7932D5DF6A767FD07DB63 F79D106E495AD1A92D19DD4224B313A7D9CDB6B677BE7AA9F5 2BAC4A6FAE&sql=11:dxfwxqq5ldhe) and Faith Hill left behind: the small-town girl made good but who hasn't left her roots behind. In other words, she hasn't made the big pop diva move that Shania (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47216D84BAA7320C7932D5DF6A767FD07DB63 F79D106E495AD1A92D19DD4224B313A7D9CDB6B677BE7AA9F5 2BAC4A6FAE&sql=11:dxfwxqq5ldhe) did with Up! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IX86/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/103-0395203-9942226?%5Fencoding=UTF8) or Faith with Cry; she's planted herself firmly within country. Now, Carrie's country is hardly traditionalist — despite the lack of Diane Warren tunes, there are plenty of power ballads here, along with light drum loops that aren't commonly heard in Nashville — but her approach is completely contemporary country, in how it blurs the borders between country and arena rock, something that's perfect for a girl who made her first big splash singing Heart. Sound and feel do mean a lot, but country records really survive on the strength of their songs, and the remarkable thing about Carnival Ride is that it's stronger song for song than Some Hearts, some of this due to Carrie herself, who bears four songwriting credits here, often in conjunction with some permutation of Steve McEwan and Hillary Lindsey, who pen a bunch of other tunes here. The songs may veer just a bit too close to the big power ballads, but they all work as strong pieces of commercial country, built on surging melodies (all the better for Carrie to belt) and lyrics that play into Underwood's small-town girl persona but are also open-ended enough to be relatable. All this very well may be more calculating than it appears, but the appealing thing about Carnival Ride is that it plays so smoothly and assuredly that you just go along for the ride, especially because Carrie sells these songs completely, making the clichés and cornball phrases believable. It's a gift that Shania (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47216D84BAA7320C7932D5DF6A767FD07DB63 F79D106E495AD1A92D19DD4224B313A7D9CDB6B677BE7AA9F5 2BAC4A6FAE&sql=11:dxfwxqq5ldhe) had, but she always seemed larger than life. In contrast, Carrie Underwood only sounds larger than life, and she still comes across like the girl next door despite her massive success, and this lingering sense of innocence — however constructed for stage it may be — gives an album as big and shiny as Carnival Ride the appearance of a genuine heart, something that no other big country-pop album has had since the glory days of Come on Over (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001EW3/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_3/102-6715763-5670546?%5Fencoding=UTF8).


AllMusic Review (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47216D84BAA7320C7932D5DF6A767FD07DB63 F79D106E495AD1A92D19DD4224B013A7D9CDB6B67CBE7A<br>AEF52BAD4A7EAE&sql=10:k9fuxzlhldke)

[twaintrain]

I completely agreed with that review. I'm not saying "Carnival Ride" is as good as "Come On Over" but I've heard more than one person say the musicallity of the album is like Shania's. I mean, Shania is so cheecky with her lyrics and Carrie has a couple of really cheecky songs on CR, "Last Name" and "The More Boys I Meet (The More I Love My Dog)." "Carnival Ride" is an amazing CD. And, to me, Carrie does seem more "attainable" than Shania. Shania is an icon. Carrie is like the girl (you wish lived) next door.

[RKSTFan]

It's up to you, I'm probably not.
Unless she comes out with a few decent singles I like, I won't. There a lot of other albums I still want to get.

I'm not either.

Carrie comes across just as you mentioned earlier in this thread - a hypocrite.

That "Entertainment Weekly" interview, and others I've seen in recent days, have really made me change my mind about her.

She talks down about Remixes, while simulatenously admitting to designing her own songs for more of a pop audience when they cross over.

Sadly, the more she plays both sides and plays up to the Nashville crowd, the more the industry hypes her up.

The industry is doing the exact same thing with Carrie that they did for Gretchen Wilson - hyping her up to be bigger than Shania while simultaneously comparing her to Shania.

Just look at the review shown above.

Hopefully timminslover is right. I am sick of the Carrie Underwood hype already.

[Troll]

Thanks for the review.

[taniashain]

Personally, I think Carrie Underwood ( IMO she doesn't deserve a one-name status ) has a beautifully magestic, powerful voice. But I really don't see what's so special about her. Her girl-next-door attitude, is getting on my nerves. I mean how much sickly sweet can you get before it becomes old? I wonder what she'll be next - a supertramp? I mean that in a good way.

If it weren't for Idol, I doubt she'd be so popular. Her music doesn't stand out or grab me, the way Shania has. It's, IMO, very bland and safe. Unless she starts pushing the bounderies, and does something different, she hasn't much appeal to me. I like artists who are different. Carrie Underwood is very middle of the road, easy listening to me.

At least Gretchen Wilson has some balls! I like her much more than Carrie Underwood. An awsome voice and a take - no -s**t attitude not only grabs my attention from the blah music available today, it holds it.

BTW - I also have Some Hearts, so I'm not a basher.

[STwainiac]

Well, Carrie is new to the biz and I doubt she even knows Shania that well, if at all.
I don't think she meant it as a 'slam' against Shania. She is simply against altering the song just to attract a wider audience. Maybe she is afraid of being shut out of the CMA's in the future as Shania so obviously has been (except when they want her face to attract an audience).

I think I understand what she is saying. Carrie wants to be known as a 'country singer'. But sometimes the song itself refuses to be so catergorized. It will find its own niche (and sometime niches) and fans. I believe her point is that first it is produced as a country song, then reproduced or remixed to attract a 'pop' audience.
She has an issue with that sort of change in the song just to attract a difference audience. Somehow she views that as some sort of prostituting. Does that make her a country purist? Hardly. As observed her songs themselves aren't that 'pure country.' So I'd put it in the 'new to the biz' category. She is trying to remain faithful to her perceived country roots but her songs betray that. I think she wants to avoid the criticism of Nashville such as has been dished out to Shania about 'betraying her roots.' Or maybe she thinks she is not being loyal to the songwriter if the tempo or rhythm of a song gets changed just to attract a different audience. She wants the song to remain unchanged and go where it goes without any deliberate altering just to atract a wider audience. Her motives and loyalties may seem pure but they are, I think, misplaced.

Shania, after years of being out there with her fans, realizes she has fans that are country, that are pop, that are easy listeners, etc. "UP" was produced in three versions to cater to all her diverse fans worldwide. And let's face it -- the versions aren't that much different although I prefer the red. Maybe that was a gimmick or maybe an honest attempt by Shania to cater to her large fan base. I think the 'UP' trio was Shania;'s way of poking fun at all the criticism -- okay a banjo makes it 'country,' an orchestra makes it ''easy listening' and a synthesizer makes it 'pop' even though its the same song! The three versions reveals the sillyness of it all. Shania's songs are incapable of being rigidly categorized.

It may turn out that the songs Carrie sings will evade easy catergorization. Either way, Carrie will one day realize that it's best not to be too pigeon-holed. It's a big world out there with all kinds of music lovers. Carrie obviously appeals to a broader audience than she realizes and should not fear to capitalize on that crossover attraction. She should sing the songs she likes and that fit her voice and let the fans find their preference. If she does not want to alter the background or do a remix, fine. But I think this will all change.

So Carrie, I still love ya -- but you better be more careful what you say about my 'No. 1 love'.

[Peace and Love[ -- Larry

[Steve F]

There is one big difference between them. Shania has broken down every door she has needed to whereas Carrie just does what she is told. Oh, and when has anyone heard or seen Carrie say nice things about Shania like she does Martina or Gretchen? I have nothing against Carrie Underwood, but without American Idol, she would be just another in a big group of good country female artists.

Steve

[twaintrain]

I saw an interview where they mentioned Shania and she said she liked her. But it doesn't really matter? Even if she said she wasn't a fan of Shania I wouldn't stop being her fan.

And honestly, you don't sell 6 million albums because you were on American Idol. If that were so we'd still be hearing from Justin Guarini. She sold that many albums because she is a great artist. People like the fact that she has an amazing voice, great songs, and is down to earth and sweet. I mean, she won AI because of those things.

She basically brings class to an industry full of trash. Pardon, the rhyme. lol

[taniashain]

No, I guess it doesn't really matter. But as die hard Shania fans, we can get kinda possesive of her.

You do make a point though. Carrie Underwood does bring alot of class to Nashville. I'm not overly familiar with alot of the other artists, but she has a spring in her step that I don't often see. The only other one I can think of right now is Reba. She's fantastic!

[twaintrain]

No, I guess it doesn't really matter. But as die hard Shania fans, we can get kinda possesive of her.

You do make a point though. Carrie Underwood does bring alot of class to Nashville. I'm not overly familiar with alot of the other artists, but she has a spring in her step that I don't often see. The only other one I can think of right now is Reba. She's fantastic!

I think most women in country are pretty classy. Reba is a great example. Pop and R&B and such are a different story. Even those that are considered to be kind of classy really aren't. Even people that I like, for example Beyonce, are still very racy to me.

[dreamer]

i am still noy buying the cd as of now sorry her voice is nice but....

[StarryShania]

I havn't given her music a chance so I don't want to say anything bad about her.

[tonyme]

Up! 's various remixes caused a lot of controversy in the music industry, especially in the country industry. But I still think Shania did a great job with the Red and the Green versions, not a fantastic one with the Blue one though. But it is really being creative and she presented us a GREAT album with 19 great songs.
Carrie just doesn't like the approach of releasing remixes... Well, let's wait a little longer and we'll see how many remixes she will make. Shania didn't make remixes in WOMAN IN ME did she?!

[mcjessica]

I think the 'UP' trio was Shania;'s way of poking fun at all the criticism -- okay a banjo makes it 'country,' an orchestra makes it ''easy listening' and a synthesizer makes it 'pop' even though its the same song! The three versions reveals the sillyness of it all. Shania's songs are incapable of being rigidly categorized.

I actually really love that point of view, well said! :]

[mcjessica]

I havn't given her music a chance so I don't want to say anything bad about her.

I haven't either, but I've always had my reserves about her since her days on AI. I'll see how the next couple singles go and I still might give her a chance.

[taniashain]

I'll only listen if it's on my radio station, and it plays pop. I won't go looking for her on country stations. Right now CHUM is playing her version of I'll Stand By You. It's better than the original, IMO, but isn't it a throwover from her AI days?

[twaintrain]

I'll only listen if it's on my radio station, and it plays pop. I won't go looking for her on country stations. Right now CHUM is playing her version of I'll Stand By You. It's better than the original, IMO, but isn't it a throwover from her AI days?

It was a charity single for Idol Gives Back. She never performed it during her AI days. It was never released to radio but I guess they still play it.

[canoilers]

Hey! Just because shes mine doesn't mean I get all possesi... wait... nevermind. :p

[taniashain]

It was a charity single for Idol Gives Back. She never performed it during her AI days. It was never released to radio but I guess they still play it.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. I saw her perform that song on it, and I balled my eyes out. She was amazing!

I don't know why it's getting airplay now though.

[gopolks]

Yep, great song.

[goinUP]

I think I'm behind on this topic, but here's what I think anyway, haha! :p

That wasn't really a slam, IMO. I could say that I like the original versions better....okay.....and??? I never said "Shania should have never recorded that new junk! Why couldn't she just quit while she was ahead?" Now that, IMO, was a slam. I think Carrie was simply (and gently) stating what she prefers. No problem there. :)

[twaintrain]

I think I'm behind on this topic, but here's what I think anyway, haha! :p

That wasn't really a slam, IMO. I could say that I like the original versions better....okay.....and??? I never said "Shania should have never recorded that new junk! Why couldn't she just quit while she was ahead?" Now that, IMO, was a slam. I think Carrie was simply (and gently) stating what she prefers. No problem there. :)

Thank you.

Carrie never even mentioned Shania. The interviewer brought it up and Carrie was very nice. She didn't say one bad thing.

I've never heard Carrie say anything bad about any fellow artist. She said on GAC Nights she gets frustrated when interviewers try to make her say stuff about others. She just moves on because she's not like that.:)

[ShaniaLookAlike]

I don't really see this as a slam. I'm sure Carrie admires Shania alot. . .JMO. :)

BTW, hello everybody. . it's been like eternity since I've been on here! :kiss:

[SHANIANUTS!]

Hi Angie - how are you and the family doing?

[Troll]

Hi Angie.

[dreamer]

I bought the cd it was 10 bucks overall right now it doesn't grab me at all

[ShaniaLookAlike]

Hi Angie - how are you and the family doing?


Hi Bob! :)

I'm doing great. . and the family is too! :love:

My son, Ethan turned 2 years old last month. . it's hard to believe he's that old! :shocked: He's sooo smart! Even his daycare lady says he's 'advanced' with his learning. I hope to have my 2nd child sometime in late 2008.

I wish I could be on the forums more like I used to, but working full time and being a mother full time takes up all my time.

I'm doing very well. . .how are you??? :)

[dreamer]

thats great

[Alex]

Cool storie update:D

[StarryShania]

I don't really see this as a slam. I'm sure Carrie admires Shania alot. . .JMO. :)

She probably does. She did sing "Man ! I Feel Like A Woman !" on American Idol once.

[mcjessica]

Yeah she did.
As far as I remember though Randy chose that song for her to sing.

[Alex]

did she sing that song? :eek:

[StarryShania]

Yeah she did.
As far as I remember though Randy chose that song for her to sing.

Yeah he did actually. But who knows, maybe she does like Shania's music a whole lot.

[twaintrain]

I'm sure Carrie admires Shania. You can hear Shania's influence on her new CD with songs like "Last Name" and "The More Boys I Meet." Carrie has even said that she likes Shania.

[RKSTFan]

I'm sure Carrie admires Shania. You can hear Shania's influence on her new CD with songs like "Last Name" and "The More Boys I Meet." Carrie has even said that she likes Shania.

I would like to believe that, but Carrie's latest comments suggest otherwise.

She pretty much slammed everything about "Up!"

If Carrie's comments about Remixes are accurate, that would also mean that she slammed Shania/Mutt for remixing "Come On Over" a few years after the original version was initially released.

Carrie may like Shania, or some of Shania's music, but Carrie sure has an odd way of showing it.

JMO

[StarryShania]

I would like to believe that, but Carrie's latest comments suggest otherwise.

She pretty much slammed everything about "Up!"

If Carrie's comments about Remixes are accurate, that would also mean that she slammed Shania/Mutt for remixing "Come On Over" a few years after the original version was initially released.

Carrie may like Shania, or some of Shania's music, but Carrie sure has an odd way of showing it.

JMO

She's probably jealous :rolleyes:
Who knows .. :dunno:

[twaintrain]

I guess I don't get the whole "she's slamming Shania because she said she doesn't like remixes" thing. She never brought up Shania. That's like if I say "I don't like sweaters" then I'm saying I don't like anyone that wears sweaters. Besides even if she didn't like the fact that Shania made remixes it doesn't mean that she doesn't like Shania. I liked the Green disc much more than the Red, and from what I heard I didn't really like the Blue. That doesn't mean I don't like Shania.

I think you're making a "mountain" out of "a grain of sand," to quote Ms. Underwood. lol

(Carrie has said she's a fan but even if she wasn't I wouldn't stop listening to her music. I know we want everyone to love Shania as much as we do but that's not going to happen and it would be silly not to like someone just because they don't like a certain artist's music.)

[mcjessica]

I guess I don't get the whole "she's slamming Shania because she said she doesn't like remixes" thing.

I don't think that, but I understand where they are coming from. For the most part though, I don't think people were really mad that it had anything to do with Shania. At least I wasn't. I just didn't like some of the other stuff she said in the interview or what it implied.

(Carrie has said she's a fan but even if she wasn't I wouldn't stop listening to her music. I know we want everyone to love Shania as much as we do but that's not going to happen and it would be silly not to like someone just because they don't like a certain artist's music.)

I don't think anyone would dislike her just because she wasn't a fan. That would be a little wierd. :funny: Of course it would be a different matter if she said she went out of her way to say she didn't like her music, but I don't think many artists...or Carrie Underwood would do that.

[glamgurl36]

yeah not really a slam...i just think she just wants to stay country and not have to change her music to appeal to more ppl

[tonyme]

I still don't consider this as a direct slam to Shania...

[Steve F]

Until she comes out and says things like Anne Murray has about Shania, then to me I have to look at it as a slam. My gut feeling is that Shania is not on her short list when it comes to her idols.

Steve

[mcjessica]

I still don't consider this as a direct slam to Shania...

I think most people can agree it wasn't directed at Shania, I think there were some definite implications though.

[Shaniafannum1]

1) I don't see this as a slam towards Shania.

2) What do you want the girl to do? Profess her everlasting love for Shania?

3) Of COURSE she wouldn't be anywhere without AI. She'd be back in Oklahoma trying to find a job somewhere. But, IMO, she's been the most successful AI and shows no signs of slowing down.

4) I don't understand why people let artists' opinions/controversies overcome what REALLY matters- the MUSIC. No one can deny that the girl has a set of pipes like no other and her new album is AMAZING.

I'm not a HUGE Carrie fan but I've heard people say the same stuff about Shania and I defended her in the exact same manner.

[dreamer]

I am with Jessica here

[StarryShania]

So am I Misty.

[dreamer]

I don't have anything against carrie but I LOVE Shania and to quote miss underwood the difference bettween the two is 'bout a million miles

[mcjessica]

I don't have anything against her either.
I've honestly tried to get into her music in the past but I really can't.
I'm not even sure why, but it's like there's something preventing me from liking her haha.
Something about her just doesn't sit right with me and I don't know what it is. :dunno:

[dreamer]

I know what you're talking about it feels odd listening to her sometimes She can be good though I'll give her that much

[ShaniaKoukla]

I am not going to say anything bad about Carrie because a dear friend of mine idolizes her, but I will say that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, even if it sux :)

[dreamer]

now now the opinion doesn't suck

[StarryShania]

Like some of you I don't have anything against her but for some reason I don't usually like singers who won or were on American Idol or anything cause they didn't work as hard as Shania or anyone else in the music industry to get noticed.

[dreamer]

good point

[SHANIANUTS!]

Hi Bob! :)

I'm doing great. . and the family is too! :love:

My son, Ethan turned 2 years old last month. . it's hard to believe he's that old! :shocked: He's sooo smart! Even his daycare lady says he's 'advanced' with his learning. I hope to have my 2nd child sometime in late 2008.

I wish I could be on the forums more like I used to, but working full time and being a mother full time takes up all my time.

I'm doing very well. . .how are you??? :)
I am fine - we have been out at the lake since June '04 - what kind of work are you doing?

[nds76]

This isn't a slam. I'm not really a fan of Miss Underwood but I do agree with her on this. I too feel one version should be good enough for everyone. Just seems like there is some sort of genre identity crisis by doing different version IMO.

David

[Steve F]

I know she got her chance from American Idol, but Carrie is now a product of Nashville, and thus who really knows where Shania fits in her scheme of things. The way I see it, if you are a big name like Dolly then you can tell them to stick it in their ear. When Carrie does that, I'm behind her. Until then though, I have to be skeptical and cautious about what she says about Shania or any other stars. I believe what Dolly, Reba, and now Anne Murray say about her. Shania has gained their respect. I will give Carrie the benefit of the doubt for now and hope that she truly is a fan of Shania and respects her accomplishments. As a peer, I don't see how she could not.:)

Steve

[EilleenTwain88]

I know she got her chance from American Idol, but Carrie is now a product of Nashville, and thus who really knows where Shania fits in her scheme of things. The way I see it, if you are a big name like Dolly then you can tell them to stick it in their ear. When Carrie does that, I'm behind her. Until then though, I have to be skeptical and cautious about what she says about Shania or any other stars. I believe what Dolly, Reba, and now Anne Murray say about her. Shania has gained their respect. I will give Carrie the benefit of the doubt for now and hope that she truly is a fan of Shania and respects her accomplishments. As a peer, I don't see how she could not.:)

Steve
That is true. Whenever someone is critizising some accomplished artists who came to the business before her, it is somewhat misundertanding or stupidity or bad manners. I also believe this to be something like the first.

Maybe Ms Underwood was not carefull enough what to say, when trying to explain her own motives and reasons to do things her way... Isn't it rather funny that artists are nowadays forced to explain why they don't make remixes; before COO those were unheard of in Nashville.

[tonyme]

For me, Carrie is still a rookie when it comes to showing her fame and expressing herself in interviews...

[dreamer]

i agree

[nds76]

I think most fans are happy with ONE version to be honest. But many won't admit it.

[dreamer]

I truly like them all

[mcjessica]

I think most fans are happy with ONE version to be honest. But many won't admit it.

I disagree. I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's a nice change to have every once in a while. I know that I've been able to find some salvation in the remixes during this long break. I'm not saying that she always has to make remixes...I'll be just as happy if there's only one version of her next album, but I'm all for the remixes should she decide to make them.

[nds76]

One version is good enough for me. As a fan I felt I had to buy every version out there but that gets way too expensive and I realize its not necessary for me to have every version anymore and am satisfied with only one. What really gets me is that some artists have a "deluxe" version a few months after the initial release. Why would one want to essentially buy the same thing with a couple different new things on it or a different cover? Just nonsense to me.

[Troll]

I truly like them all

Me too.

[EilleenTwain88]

I think most fans are happy with ONE version to be honest. But many won't admit it.
Probably. But which one would that be... ;) ???

[matty]

What really gets me is that some artists have a "deluxe" version a few months after the initial release. Why would one want to essentially buy the same thing with a couple different new things on it or a different cover? Just nonsense to me.

I believe that's down to the record label. Road Runner do it all the time. It's an easy way for them to make money. Not all artists can control what the label wants to do with their music. In todays world of downloading music, they have to do everything they can to make up for their financial losses.

Regarding different versions of songs, I don't mind it one bit. It's interesting to hear songs done in different ways.

[dreamer]

Probably. But which one would that be... ;) ???

Good question

[Troll]

Good question

Yes a very good question

[dreamer]

very wise

[Hockeystick]

One version is good enough for me. As a fan I felt I had to buy every version out there but that gets way too expensive and I realize its not necessary for me to have every version anymore and am satisfied with only one. What really gets me is that some artists have a "deluxe" version a few months after the initial release. Why would one want to essentially buy the same thing with a couple different new things on it or a different cover? Just nonsense to me.

It sure seems to help inflate those artists sale numbers. Garth Brooks and a few others come to mind.

A lot of gimmicks exist.

[mcjessica]

One version is good enough for me. As a fan I felt I had to buy every version out there but that gets way too expensive and I realize its not necessary for me to have every version anymore and am satisfied with only one. What really gets me is that some artists have a "deluxe" version a few months after the initial release. Why would one want to essentially buy the same thing with a couple different new things on it or a different cover? Just nonsense to me.

I agree, I think the "deluxe verisons" of albums re-released shortly after it's orginal release is ridiculous. I don't think releasing another album internationally is really the same as that though. Really the only people who will make the effort to try and get the international version of one of her albums is a huge fan. I'm sure wanting to release and international version of one of her albums is her choice as well, not that of the recording studio.

[RKSTFan]

I agree, I think the "deluxe verisons" of albums re-released shortly after it's orginal release is ridiculous. I don't think releasing another album internationally is really the same as that though. Really the only people who will make the effort to try and get the international version of one of her albums is a huge fan. I'm sure wanting to release and international version of one of her albums is her choice as well, not that of the recording studio.

I agree.

At least Shania waited 2 full Years to release the International version (http://www.amazon.com/Come-Over-International-Shania-Twain/dp/B000031VR1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1195521910&sr=1-1) of "Come On Over" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001EW3/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_3/102-6715763-5670546?%5Fencoding=UTF8). (By that time, the original "Come On Over" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001EW3/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_3/102-6715763-5670546?%5Fencoding=UTF8) cd was already RIAA certified for 14 million.)

Plus, Shania told people ahead of time about the different versions of "Up!" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IX86/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/103-0395203-9942226?%5Fencoding=UTF8). She didn't release the Country version, wait a couple of weeks/months and then release the next version like what a lot of artists are doing now.

Garth Brooks, Taylor Swift, and Tim McGraw come to mind when talking about bad cases of re-re-releases.


Garth Brooks: I don't know how many times Garth has repackaged the same songs. He just slaps a new Cover on a new "collection" and/or a couple of new songs and releases the cd as a "new" cd.

Then, there are the Box Set(s) that he's gotten multiple RIAA shipment credit for.

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Taylor Swift: Taylor Swift is a brand new artist whose debut CD is at 1.5 million in SoundScan sales. I read on a message board that at a recent party for her, her label said they were hoping to get her cd to 2 million. What do they do? They RE-release the CD with a couple of new songs on it...around the time of the recent CMAs...and now they've got her crossing over with REMIXES.

Taylor's song "Teardrops on My Guitar" has been really REmixed for Pop. (You can hear the Remix HERE (http://pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=country&action=display&thread=1169008270&page=10) on the Pulse message boards.)

She's already done a Remix of "Our Song" too.

The new versions of both songs are on the re-release.

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Tim McGraw: Tim McGraw re-released his recent "Let It Go" cd after he did "If You're Reading This" on the 2007 ACMs.

A Live version of his award show performance was released as a radio single (and it's still on the charts now, as far as I know).

In August of 2007, his cd was re-released with "If You're Reading This" on it.

The original version of his cd was just released less than 5 months before then back on March 27.

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It's funny, yet really annoying at the same time, that Shania is the one named most of the time when the topic of Remixes and Re-releases is brought up.

Lately, it's becoming very common for artists in Country, Pop, etc. to Re-release their cds and Cross Over with Remixes.

Shania seems to be the only one that's getting named...and slammed...for it.

[Troll]

Totaly agree Jessica. Thanks for those figueres

[mcjessica]

It's funny, yet really annoying at the same time, that Shania is the one named most of the time when the topic of Remixes and Re-releases is brought up.

Lately, it's becoming very common for artists in Country, Pop, etc. to Re-release their cds and Cross Over with Remixes.

Shania seems to be the only one that's getting named...and slammed...for it.

Thanks for that info and I whole-heartedly agree with everything you said.
I really don't think it's right that she is always the one to be cast in a negative light.
(Anyone who's about to say "Carrie's comment wasn't a slam" -don't worry I'm not even talking about that haha)

Nashville is constantly knocking artists who attempt to cross-over. I'm not a huge Faith fan, but I thought it was ridiculous how much everyone critisized "Cry" for being too pop. It almost seems as though they get frustrated when artists get some commerical success on the pop charts. Some of the artists you mentioned like Tim McGraw and Garth....sure the mainstream industry is aware of them, but how often do one of their songs pop up on the charts?

One thing I've never understood about the music industry how an artist can be accused of "selling-out" as soon as they have some commerical success. I mean seriously they just need to get over it. Good music is good music; who cares what genre it is?

[nds76]

I think the music labels are just taking advantage of the loyal fans with these "deluxe" or "remix" albums shortly after the initial releases. They know most will buy them, thats what they count on. It is a trend that I hope is just a short lived fad. Are artists really worried about their numbers that they would want to do this and boost sales? I realize its not always up to the artists for what is done to their albums. Are the record labels greedy? Are some artists suffering a "genre" identity crisis?

[Hockeystick]

Exactly right RKSTFan and good examples.

Ah the joy of business and gimmicks. :funny:

At least Shania tries to give you more bang for your buck in comparison even if she gets shots taken for her various packages and remixes.

[Troll]

Exactly right RKSTFan and good examples.

Ah the joy of business and gimmicks. :funny:

At least Shania tries to give you more bang for your buck in comparison even if she gets shots taken for her various packages and remixes.

You got that right.

[tower]

I definitely think it was an indirect stab at Shania. I'm not the type of person that gets all defensive and
b!tchy when someone says something about Shania but I just think that her comment was really ignorant and typical of a Nashville purist (which as much as she'd like to think, Carrie is not). Other than Shania and maybe Faith, she is one of the most obvious pop-country artists in the industry. That's fine and it works for her but I really don't think she has the right critisize arists that opened the doors for artists like her.


I read nothing in that interview at all. We are all allowed to choose, sometimes I play the Red Pop versions at the Disco as the heavy base and guitar lines work best, but then sometimes I play the Country tracks, it is up to the dancers really which way I go and I do not think that is having a dig at Shania. The thing is I have never heard ANY Carrie songs so she has failed so far to reach out and touch me, but that does not make her music bad either.

[dreamer]

good points everyone

[mcjessica]

I read nothing in that interview at all. We are all allowed to choose, sometimes I play the Red Pop versions at the Disco as the heavy base and guitar lines work best, but then sometimes I play the Country tracks, it is up to the dancers really which way I go and I do not think that is having a dig at Shania. The thing is I have never heard ANY Carrie songs so she has failed so far to reach out and touch me, but that does not make her music bad either.

Yeah that's exactly it. I like having the ability to choose what style of music I want to listen to based on my mood and the remixes are great for that. I don't understand why Carrie is so against them.

I feel the same way about Carrie's music. She's very talented, there's no arguing that, but her music doesn't do it for me. There are some tracks I'll listen to occasionally but for the most part I don't think she really stands out. That's just my opinion though.

[dreamer]

well said

[nds76]

I like the way things used to be...one version only. Now there are all sorts of gimmicks and whatnot.

[dreamer]

I like whatever gets the creativity flowing dispite whether or not the money flows

[mcjessica]

Same here.

[dreamer]

and the groove flowing to I can't forget the groove! The thing is what does get it going is never the same even for the same person at different times

[faithfully]

You go with the flow of what your ears like to hearhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gif

[Troll]

You go with the flow of what your ears like to hearhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gifhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/tanktopshania/animations%20and%20smilies/sFun_strawberry.gif

Great smilies

[Steve F]

Yeah that's exactly it. I like having the ability to choose what style of music I want to listen to based on my mood and the remixes are great for that. I don't understand why Carrie is so against them.

I feel the same way about Carrie's music. She's very talented, there's no arguing that, but her music doesn't do it for me. There are some tracks I'll listen to occasionally but for the most part I don't think she really stands out. That's just my opinion though.


I think you hit it right on for me too. It's not Carrie that I don't like. She's got the voice, the presence and the looks. It's the music she's singing. Some of her songs are okay, but with the talent she has, she could be doing so much more than she is. True she has some crossover success already, but with a little better song picks and a little more tweeking of the pop culture, she could have made a major splash similar to Shania I think. Maybe that will happen eventually, but right now she is too much in a country way for it to be a reality probably. If she can somehow blend her country in with a little soul, blues and pop, then she's in a whole new game.;)

Steve

[dreamer]

very good point

[faithfully]

Great smilies

Okay I will have to start a smilies thread soon:]

[Troll]

Okay I will have to start a smilies thread soon:]

That would be interesting to see

[dreamer]

indeed

[Brit_girlAmanda]

Carrie hasn't cracked the UK market yet, unlike Shania and LeAnn Rimes. I don't think she will either.

[dreamer]

neither do I but we'll see

[Troll]

Carrie hasn't cracked the UK market yet, unlike Shania and LeAnn Rimes. I don't think she will either.

You are probably right.

[nds76]

To be fair, country really isn't a popular form of music internationally.

[dreamer]

pop is though and at least BHC should've given her recognition if anything would

[Troll]

To be fair, country really isn't a popular form of music internationally.

That is true.

[goinUP]

I think you hit it right on for me too. It's not Carrie that I don't like. She's got the voice, the presence and the looks. It's the music she's singing. Some of her songs are okay, but with the talent she has, she could be doing so much more than she is. True she has some crossover success already, but with a little better song picks and a little more tweeking of the pop culture, she could have made a major splash similar to Shania I think. Maybe that will happen eventually, but right now she is too much in a country way for it to be a reality probably. If she can somehow blend her country in with a little soul, blues and pop, then she's in a whole new game.;)

Steve

Me too. I think the only song that Carrie really shows her talent/presence in is Before He Cheats - the song, and the video. I do like her, but she doesn't do much for me and I'm easily tired of hearing her.

[FinnFreak]

To be fair, country really isn't a popular form of music internationally.

True, but some of the performers ARE - and are loved around the globe, despite the tight little box the industry tries to fit them into... no, they just don't fit.

They're WAY too big for a particular genre to hold them within.


Ms Underwood I still haven't even heared mentioned in the media over here.


John - ;)

[mcjessica]

Me too. I think the only song that Carrie really shows her talent/presence in is Before He Cheats - the song, and the video. I do like her, but she doesn't do much for me and I'm easily tired of hearing her.

Yeah, that's the only song I'll listen to.

[twaintrain]

I don't think Carrie is really trying to be an international artist, at least not yet. She hasn't promoted her music or toured internationally. She had crossover success here in the states with "Before He Cheats" but that wasn't really intentional. She wouldn't change it at all from the original version. Her new album is even more 'country.' There are songs that have crossover potential but I don't know if she will even release them as singles.

I am biased because I'm one of her biggest fans but I think if she had wanted to do pop and become an international artist she could have. She has a huge fan base. Her best performance on American Idol was her version of the rock ballad "Alone." She was amazing. There's not really much about her voice that screams country singer except that fact that that's what she wants to be. She doesn't want to become a pop singer.

I think her songs are great, especially the new CD. I think it's much better than "Some Hearts" which I thought was great because of Carrie herself, not because of the songs exactly. "Carnival Ride" songs are better, IMO.

[dreamer]

I would rather hear SH but I don't listen to anyone but Shania right now